I'm trying to get some info on a shipwreck of either Spanish or Portuguese origin from the 1800's (approx. 1813). Is there anything that would tell about missing or wrecked ships of that era. Something like the New York or Boston Shipping List? How long would a ship back in those days be missing before it was declared lost? If it sailed into a U.S. port prior to going missing where would you get records that old? Thanks guys, bell47.
Spanish and Portuguese shipping info from early 1800s
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The (London) Times has been in print since the late 1700s. They probably have a section on 'Disasters at Sea' or similar wording. Also, 'Lloyd's (Insurance Co.) List of Lost Ships' might be helpful. Then again, if you wish to telll us more, perhaps many other sources could be offered.
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The (London) Times has been in print since the late 1700s. They probably have a section on 'Disasters at Sea' or similar wording. Also, 'Lloyd's (Insurance Co.) List of Lost Ships' might be helpful. Then again, if you wish to telll us more, perhaps many other sources could be offered.
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Bell47:
One would initially deduce that you perhaps have found an 1813 coin and don’t know where it came from, what ship it is related to. Actually 1813 for many nautical investigators is recent history if you compare the real difficulty of researching say a 1506 shipwreck and the limited amount of documentation available for that time period. Most capitals of Spanish colonies like Lima or Buenos Aires or Mexico had their newspapers operating in 1813. I wouldn’t be surprised if you could find something very exact on the archives that are available online regarding the wreck you’re trying to find. The first thing I would do is to try and find something that would tell me what port the ship left last, the route itself is very indicative and the possibilities are fairly limited depending on where you found the coin, if my supposition is anywhere accurate.
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One would initially deduce that you perhaps have found an 1813 coin and don’t know where it came from, what ship it is related to. Actually 1813 for many nautical investigators is recent history if you compare the real difficulty of researching say a 1506 shipwreck and the limited amount of documentation available for that time period. Most capitals of Spanish colonies like Lima or Buenos Aires or Mexico had their newspapers operating in 1813. I wouldn’t be surprised if you could find something very exact on the archives that are available online regarding the wreck you’re trying to find. The first thing I would do is to try and find something that would tell me what port the ship left last, the route itself is very indicative and the possibilities are fairly limited depending on where you found the coin, if my supposition is anywhere accurate.
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All I know is the ship was suppose to be Spanish, possibly Portuguese and it's last stop was on the east coast(USA) after sailing from south America or the Caribbean. It left the U.S. and it never made it home. The U.S. papers don't for sure know the name of the ship. I thought that maybe there is a Spanish version of the New York or Boston Shipping list. What would a Spanish frigate of the time(1813) had on board of value? Did they carry any coins, gold, or silver to trade with? Would it have had cannons if it was not military? Thanks,Bell47
How is your Spanish Bell47? Perhaps you know of somebody who can help you in this language problem. The first thing I would do is get into the Spanish Ministry of Culture Archives at: (http://pares.mcu.es/)and search for “naufragio” or shipwreck between the years 1812 and 1813, which I just did and several interesting things popped up. This is a good start, good luck!
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You named the vessel a FRIGATE. That is specific to a warship which carried from 24 to 60 guns. In the early 1800's it would have been a sailing vessel. The loss of a warship of that size would have made headlines. I have a strong belief that if the vessel were, as you stated, a frigate, it would be noted in Llloyd's List of Lost Ship.
You named the vessel a FRIGATE. That is specific to a warship which carried from 24 to 60 guns. In the early 1800's it would have been a sailing vessel. The loss of a warship of that size would have made headlines. I have a strong belief that if the vessel were, as you stated, a frigate, it would be noted in Llloyd's List of Lost Ship.
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Sorry guys I didn't mean frigate, I meant freighter. I don't know exacty what type of ship it was. I don't believe it was military. Keep the good info coming! Also what sort and amount of currency would a cargo ship of that time period have carried?
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I can help a lot * -- there are differant classes and sizes of vessels for built for differant purposes --frigattas (frigates) pataches--(advice boats) ---nao's ( merchant / cargo vessels ) --- urca --(supply vessels ) --- coming from south american ports she could have easily been carrying silver or gold coins --- althought by 1813 things had started to turn sour for spain -- soon revolts would break her grip in the americas * and end the treasure flow.
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