"Spain and Egypt will start a project later this year to investigate the 19th century sinking of a ship that some believe contained the mummy of a Fourth Dynasty pharaoh..." This refers to the _Beatrice_, sunk 13 October 1838 somewhere between Malta and Cartagena. It wasn't carrying a mummy but rather the sarcophagus of Menkaure (Mycerinus), which had been removed from his pyramid at Giza and was to be delivered to the British Museum.
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Spain, Egypt to investigate 19th century shipwreck
19:27 | 22/ 05/ 2008
CAIRO, May 22 (RIA Novosti) - Spain and Egypt will start a project later this year to investigate the 19th century sinking of a ship that some believe contained the mummy of a Fourth Dynasty pharaoh, news agency MENA said.
MENA cited Egyptian Ambassador to Spain Yasser Murad as saying the countries would first hold consultations and compare historical records, and attempt to establish the location of the shipwreck.
Khafre, who ruled Egypt more than 2,500 years ago, is known for building the second largest of the three great pyramids at Giza, and may have overseen the creation of the nearby Sphinx.
A ship carrying ancient artifacts from Egypt to Britain that sank off the Spanish coast in the first half of the 19th century is believed by some Egyptologists to have contained Khafre's mummy.
19:27 | 22/ 05/ 2008
CAIRO, May 22 (RIA Novosti) - Spain and Egypt will start a project later this year to investigate the 19th century sinking of a ship that some believe contained the mummy of a Fourth Dynasty pharaoh, news agency MENA said.
MENA cited Egyptian Ambassador to Spain Yasser Murad as saying the countries would first hold consultations and compare historical records, and attempt to establish the location of the shipwreck.
Khafre, who ruled Egypt more than 2,500 years ago, is known for building the second largest of the three great pyramids at Giza, and may have overseen the creation of the nearby Sphinx.
A ship carrying ancient artifacts from Egypt to Britain that sank off the Spanish coast in the first half of the 19th century is believed by some Egyptologists to have contained Khafre's mummy.
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EGYPT-SPAIN TEAM UP TO LOOK FOR CHEPHREN'S SARCOPHAGUS
(ANSAmed) - CAIRO, MAY 22 - The Egyptian government, represented by the Ministry of Culture and the Higher Council for Antiquities, and the Spanish government will cooperate in a joint venture to locate the sarcophagus and mummy of ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Chephren off the Spanish coasts, particularly in the historical city of Cartagena. Egypt's Ambassador to Spain Yasser Mourad said Thursday the project will start this year and that search operations will try to locate a ship that wrecked off Cartegena carrying the sarcophagus and mummy of Chephren, the Egyptian pharaoh of the Fourth dynasty. The Sarcophagus and mummy of Chephren drowned off the Spanish coasts during a maritime voyage during which some archaeol during a maritime voyage during which some archaeologists were trying to carry out some studies on them abroad. However, the details of the accident in which the antiquities and everyone on board drowned were never known. Chephren is the son of Cheops who succeeded his brother Dedefre to the throne. He ruled for 25 years and he returned to Giza for his burial. Chephren built the second largest pyramid at Giza, thought to have built the Great Sphinx and a temple, which is the only surviving example of a temple of this Dynasty of the Old Kingdom. (ANSAmed).
2008-05-22 16:33
(ANSAmed) - CAIRO, MAY 22 - The Egyptian government, represented by the Ministry of Culture and the Higher Council for Antiquities, and the Spanish government will cooperate in a joint venture to locate the sarcophagus and mummy of ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Chephren off the Spanish coasts, particularly in the historical city of Cartagena. Egypt's Ambassador to Spain Yasser Mourad said Thursday the project will start this year and that search operations will try to locate a ship that wrecked off Cartegena carrying the sarcophagus and mummy of Chephren, the Egyptian pharaoh of the Fourth dynasty. The Sarcophagus and mummy of Chephren drowned off the Spanish coasts during a maritime voyage during which some archaeol during a maritime voyage during which some archaeologists were trying to carry out some studies on them abroad. However, the details of the accident in which the antiquities and everyone on board drowned were never known. Chephren is the son of Cheops who succeeded his brother Dedefre to the throne. He ruled for 25 years and he returned to Giza for his burial. Chephren built the second largest pyramid at Giza, thought to have built the Great Sphinx and a temple, which is the only surviving example of a temple of this Dynasty of the Old Kingdom. (ANSAmed).
2008-05-22 16:33
It looks like the sarcophagus sunk the ship, and it won't be easy to find.
September 29, 1838 Alexandria
The Beatrice has finally arrived to take me and the sarcophagus and the other sundry things back to England. I'm running out of time to study this thing, although I'm no closer to understanding it than before. I noticed that one of the ends of the sarcophagus seems a little bigger, and the pattern may have something to do with it.
October 9, 1838 aboard the Beatrice
I found it! I figured out the pattern, and it showed me a way to open the end. I had just opened it, and saw something in there, when the Captain startled me, and it snapped shut again.
He was very angry. I had had to untie and move it a bit to get at the pattern. "It is extremely dangerous to shift cargo while underway." That thing is so heavy it took all my effort to move it the little bit I did; there is no way it is going to move no matter how much the ship sways. They have resecured it, and I am forbidden to go into the hold until we dock in England.
I just know that when we get to England they will never let me near it again. At my age, I'm only good for hauling rock.
October 18, 1838 aboard the Beatrice
I can't stand it anymore. It has been rough sailing for four days out of Malta, and I cannot sleep. I must get whatever it is out of that sarcophagus. The night watch tonight is a friend of mine; I know his habits, and I can avoid him.
October 19, 1838 adrift
The sun has finally come up, and I can record the disaster. I went down to the hold, moved the sarcophagus, opened it and retrieved a copper plate with a diagram of a pyramid made of triangles, and many numeric hieroglyphics around it. I was so excited, I went back to my cabin and copied it, and I was heading back to return the plate, when the ship lurched to one side, and there was an load tearing sound from the hold. When I looked in, the sarcophagus was gone!
I hadn't tied it back down, and it looks like when the ship lurched, that it slid for a ways and went right through hull! Water was pouring in. I ran back to my cabin, and grabbed my notes, and things got confused. Somehow I ended up in a boat by myself, and I watched the Beatrice sink. It was horrible. I didn't see any other boats or people.
Somewhere, I lost the copper plate. I still have the copy I made.
The sea is rough, I don't know where I am, or where I am going.
October 24, 1838 aboard the Principe Alfonse
I have been rescued by a Spanish ship, the Principe Alfonse. I can't speak a word of Spanish, and they can't speak a word of English. I don't think I'll be in England again anytime soon.
I expect I'll have to work to earn my passage.
http://www.kiwimonster.net/Menkaure/Story.html
September 29, 1838 Alexandria
The Beatrice has finally arrived to take me and the sarcophagus and the other sundry things back to England. I'm running out of time to study this thing, although I'm no closer to understanding it than before. I noticed that one of the ends of the sarcophagus seems a little bigger, and the pattern may have something to do with it.
October 9, 1838 aboard the Beatrice
I found it! I figured out the pattern, and it showed me a way to open the end. I had just opened it, and saw something in there, when the Captain startled me, and it snapped shut again.
He was very angry. I had had to untie and move it a bit to get at the pattern. "It is extremely dangerous to shift cargo while underway." That thing is so heavy it took all my effort to move it the little bit I did; there is no way it is going to move no matter how much the ship sways. They have resecured it, and I am forbidden to go into the hold until we dock in England.
I just know that when we get to England they will never let me near it again. At my age, I'm only good for hauling rock.
October 18, 1838 aboard the Beatrice
I can't stand it anymore. It has been rough sailing for four days out of Malta, and I cannot sleep. I must get whatever it is out of that sarcophagus. The night watch tonight is a friend of mine; I know his habits, and I can avoid him.
October 19, 1838 adrift
The sun has finally come up, and I can record the disaster. I went down to the hold, moved the sarcophagus, opened it and retrieved a copper plate with a diagram of a pyramid made of triangles, and many numeric hieroglyphics around it. I was so excited, I went back to my cabin and copied it, and I was heading back to return the plate, when the ship lurched to one side, and there was an load tearing sound from the hold. When I looked in, the sarcophagus was gone!
I hadn't tied it back down, and it looks like when the ship lurched, that it slid for a ways and went right through hull! Water was pouring in. I ran back to my cabin, and grabbed my notes, and things got confused. Somehow I ended up in a boat by myself, and I watched the Beatrice sink. It was horrible. I didn't see any other boats or people.
Somewhere, I lost the copper plate. I still have the copy I made.
The sea is rough, I don't know where I am, or where I am going.
October 24, 1838 aboard the Principe Alfonse
I have been rescued by a Spanish ship, the Principe Alfonse. I can't speak a word of Spanish, and they can't speak a word of English. I don't think I'll be in England again anytime soon.
I expect I'll have to work to earn my passage.
http://www.kiwimonster.net/Menkaure/Story.html
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Wondering where you found that narrative by the egyptologist Jeff?...that was the a great little read...something right out of an Anne Rice novel...ever read "the mummy"...right out of that...I lived in Egypt for a year when I was 14...wish I had still been into Th'ing when I was there.., I got my first detector from Monky wards for like $22 when I was maybe 9 years old...circa late seventies....found a merc..and a big old iron plow blade back in Sandy Point State park Maryland...not sure why I didnt pursue the hobby after that until only recently again...damn rock and roll....
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Hi Everyone,
Very entertaining read for sure. Where can I get the rest of the novel?
As I've been living in Egypt for the past 10+ years this thread caught my attention. Especially as I have to deal with the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquites and the Egyptian Underwater Archaeological Society on a regular basis as part of running a dive center here in Alexandria.
To add some additional information on the topic, when the sarcophagus of Mekaure was found by R. W. Howard Vyes somewhere between 1836 and 1837, it was missing its lid and there was no mummy inside of it. Only human remains of a young woman which dated at less than 2000 years old.
The other mummy mentioned in the thread above is Khafre. Khafre's mummy was never found and his black granite sarcophagus is still located inside his pyramid.
Mike
Very entertaining read for sure. Where can I get the rest of the novel?
As I've been living in Egypt for the past 10+ years this thread caught my attention. Especially as I have to deal with the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquites and the Egyptian Underwater Archaeological Society on a regular basis as part of running a dive center here in Alexandria.
To add some additional information on the topic, when the sarcophagus of Mekaure was found by R. W. Howard Vyes somewhere between 1836 and 1837, it was missing its lid and there was no mummy inside of it. Only human remains of a young woman which dated at less than 2000 years old.
The other mummy mentioned in the thread above is Khafre. Khafre's mummy was never found and his black granite sarcophagus is still located inside his pyramid.
Mike
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Sorry its in Spanish. Maybe someone can translate. But basically Bob Ballard looks like he will carry out the search.
Egipto elige al descubridor del Titanic para buscar a Micerino en Cartagena
REUTERS Hawass, en una imagen de archivo, junto a un sarcófago descubierto en SakkaraPAULA ROSAS/ J. G. CALERO. EL CAIRO/ MADRID
Los técnicos del Ministerio de Cultura contactados ayer por ABC confirmaron que hay una petición de la Embajada de Egipto para estudiar la localización y rescate del sarcófago del faraón Micerino, que se hundió frente a la costa de Cartagena con el barco inglés que lo transportaba al Museo Británico en 1838. Pero el Gobierno sólo se plantea por el momento eso: estudiarlo. Son tantas las incógnitas (localización del pecio, profundidad, propiedad del barco, si era mercante o de Estado) que lo único que cabe es la cautela, según las mismas fuentes, máxime cuando nuestras costas permanecen hipersensibles tras el presunto expolio de Odyssey Marine Exploration en aguas del Estrecho de Gibraltar.
Fuentes del Ministerio de Cultura aseguran por ello que «ni de broma se concederá un permiso genérico para explorar la zona», ya que nadie quiere ver en nuestra costa mediterránea a barcos pertrechados con sónar de barrido lateral buscando posibles pecios a demanda.
Pero Egipto ya ha movido ficha. Y ha elegido a Robert Ballard, el hombre que encontró el Titanic en 1985, a 3.500 metros de profundidad en las gélidas aguas del Atlántico norte, a base de tesón y un buen puñado de dólares (la Marina estadounidense financió el proyecto a cambio de que también buscara secretamente los restos de dos submarinos nucleares de la Guerra Fría).
«Ballard ha aceptado»
Así lo afirma Zahi Hawass, el secretario general del Consejo de Antigüedades Egipcio, quien asegura que el oceanógrafo ha aceptado su petición de buscar el sarcófago del faraón Micerino frente a las costas de Cartagena. El féretro de basalto yace supuestamente en esta zona desde que la goleta británica «Beatrice» se hundió durante una tormenta.
«Ya he contactado con Robert Ballard. Me reuní hace unos meses con él en Washington y ha aceptado», aseguró el mediático arqueólogo en una entrevista con un reducido número de periodistas, entre ellos ABC. El científico aún no ha confirmado la noticia públicamente, pero Hawass, que sabe muy bien cómo vender una historia, no escatima en afirmaciones categóricas.
Sólo falta la financiación, para lo que Hawass ya ha contactado con National Geographic. Y, no menos importante, el permiso de las autoridades españolas. El egiptólogo se muestra convencido de que no habrá problemas para conseguir el visto bueno español, aunque aún no lo tiene. «Va a ser una buena cooperación con una gran publicidad», asegura el arqueólogo egipcio, que propone buscar el pecio del Beatrice en cooperación con España.
«No será un nuevo Odyssey»
«Buscaré una fórmula de cooperación con el gobierno español, y acordaremos que el sarcófago vuelva a Egipto», señala, mientras asegura que la búsqueda del sarcófago no se convertirá en un nuevo caso Odyssey. Hawass advierte de que sólo está interesado en encontrar el preciado féretro de Micerino y no en los demás restos arqueológicos o incluso en otros pecios que pudieran encontrarse durante la búsqueda del Beatrice: «Todo lo demás, si hubiera algo, sería para España».
Pero lo que no está aún nada claro es la titularidad del sarcófago, si éste llega a encontrarse ya que, pese a ser un resto arqueológico egipcio, estaría a bordo de un barco británico y en aguas españolas.
El sarcófago fue hallado en 1837 por el oficial del ejército británico Howard Vyse dentro de la pirámide de Micerino, la más pequeña del conjunto monumental de Guiza, y donde supuestamente se enterró al faraón.
Según explica el propio Hawass en un artículo sobre este faraón de la dinastía IV, que muy probablemente fue hijo de Kefrén y nieto de Keops, dentro del sarcófago se encontró un esqueleto. En principio se pensó que podría ser el del faraón, aunque más tarde se comprobó que se trataba de los restos de una mujer.
Egipto elige al descubridor del Titanic para buscar a Micerino en Cartagena
REUTERS Hawass, en una imagen de archivo, junto a un sarcófago descubierto en SakkaraPAULA ROSAS/ J. G. CALERO. EL CAIRO/ MADRID
Los técnicos del Ministerio de Cultura contactados ayer por ABC confirmaron que hay una petición de la Embajada de Egipto para estudiar la localización y rescate del sarcófago del faraón Micerino, que se hundió frente a la costa de Cartagena con el barco inglés que lo transportaba al Museo Británico en 1838. Pero el Gobierno sólo se plantea por el momento eso: estudiarlo. Son tantas las incógnitas (localización del pecio, profundidad, propiedad del barco, si era mercante o de Estado) que lo único que cabe es la cautela, según las mismas fuentes, máxime cuando nuestras costas permanecen hipersensibles tras el presunto expolio de Odyssey Marine Exploration en aguas del Estrecho de Gibraltar.
Fuentes del Ministerio de Cultura aseguran por ello que «ni de broma se concederá un permiso genérico para explorar la zona», ya que nadie quiere ver en nuestra costa mediterránea a barcos pertrechados con sónar de barrido lateral buscando posibles pecios a demanda.
Pero Egipto ya ha movido ficha. Y ha elegido a Robert Ballard, el hombre que encontró el Titanic en 1985, a 3.500 metros de profundidad en las gélidas aguas del Atlántico norte, a base de tesón y un buen puñado de dólares (la Marina estadounidense financió el proyecto a cambio de que también buscara secretamente los restos de dos submarinos nucleares de la Guerra Fría).
«Ballard ha aceptado»
Así lo afirma Zahi Hawass, el secretario general del Consejo de Antigüedades Egipcio, quien asegura que el oceanógrafo ha aceptado su petición de buscar el sarcófago del faraón Micerino frente a las costas de Cartagena. El féretro de basalto yace supuestamente en esta zona desde que la goleta británica «Beatrice» se hundió durante una tormenta.
«Ya he contactado con Robert Ballard. Me reuní hace unos meses con él en Washington y ha aceptado», aseguró el mediático arqueólogo en una entrevista con un reducido número de periodistas, entre ellos ABC. El científico aún no ha confirmado la noticia públicamente, pero Hawass, que sabe muy bien cómo vender una historia, no escatima en afirmaciones categóricas.
Sólo falta la financiación, para lo que Hawass ya ha contactado con National Geographic. Y, no menos importante, el permiso de las autoridades españolas. El egiptólogo se muestra convencido de que no habrá problemas para conseguir el visto bueno español, aunque aún no lo tiene. «Va a ser una buena cooperación con una gran publicidad», asegura el arqueólogo egipcio, que propone buscar el pecio del Beatrice en cooperación con España.
«No será un nuevo Odyssey»
«Buscaré una fórmula de cooperación con el gobierno español, y acordaremos que el sarcófago vuelva a Egipto», señala, mientras asegura que la búsqueda del sarcófago no se convertirá en un nuevo caso Odyssey. Hawass advierte de que sólo está interesado en encontrar el preciado féretro de Micerino y no en los demás restos arqueológicos o incluso en otros pecios que pudieran encontrarse durante la búsqueda del Beatrice: «Todo lo demás, si hubiera algo, sería para España».
Pero lo que no está aún nada claro es la titularidad del sarcófago, si éste llega a encontrarse ya que, pese a ser un resto arqueológico egipcio, estaría a bordo de un barco británico y en aguas españolas.
El sarcófago fue hallado en 1837 por el oficial del ejército británico Howard Vyse dentro de la pirámide de Micerino, la más pequeña del conjunto monumental de Guiza, y donde supuestamente se enterró al faraón.
Según explica el propio Hawass en un artículo sobre este faraón de la dinastía IV, que muy probablemente fue hijo de Kefrén y nieto de Keops, dentro del sarcófago se encontró un esqueleto. En principio se pensó que podría ser el del faraón, aunque más tarde se comprobó que se trataba de los restos de una mujer.
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Hi,
Is the narrative true
??
And archaeologists call metal detectorist dangers and a menace? Who are they pointing the finger at.
This one takes down the whole ship, crew, passengers, looses the sarcophagus and ends up loosing the copper plate on top of all that.
I wonder if other sarcophagus have hidden spots with information written on copper...
Is the narrative true
??And archaeologists call metal detectorist dangers and a menace? Who are they pointing the finger at.
This one takes down the whole ship, crew, passengers, looses the sarcophagus and ends up loosing the copper plate on top of all that.
I wonder if other sarcophagus have hidden spots with information written on copper...
Gold_Needle
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Ahhhh,
Here is a little something else to look at:
http://historyhuntersinternational.org/index.php?topic=3285.0
Here is a little something else to look at:
http://historyhuntersinternational.org/index.php?topic=3285.0
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