So the Feds are buying millions of rounds.

[Dave44]

In fact, the feds are not actually buying it all, it is getting options on the Ammo for 5 year contracts. Or so I hear. I understand this to mean they are not paying for it yet,, the manufacturers store it until and if the ammo is called in?
http://www.gsnmagazine.com/node/25844

That is pretty smart! The ammo companies suffer, Americans suffer shortages, and if the feds decide not to exercise the options on the Ammo there will be a huge glut of ammo that will drive down the cost of ammo to the point the manufacturers will be bankrupted?

I am open to the discussion here, it looks very fishy,, maybe unethical, and I am not sure the Feds have ever been brought to justice on manipulation and monopolistic practices yet.

Why is the Marine corps cutting the ammo usage when the alphabet soup of agencies are continuing buying rounds?

Desperate times: Marines told to ?save every round? ? CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

 

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[jerseyben]

In fact, the feds are not actually buying it all, it is getting options on the Ammo for 5 year contracts. Or so I hear. I understand this to mean they are not paying for it yet,, the manufacturers store it until and if the ammo is called in?
ATK wins five-year ammo contract from DHS, ICE | Government Security News

That is pretty smart! The ammo companies suffer, Americans suffer shortages, and if the feds decide not to exercise the options on the Ammo there will be a huge glut of ammo that will drive down the cost of ammo to the point the manufacturers will be bankrupted?

I am open to the discussion here, it looks very fishy,, maybe unethical, and I am not sure the Feds have ever been brought to justice on manipulation and monopolistic practices yet.

Why is the Marine corps cutting the ammo usage when the alphabet soup of agencies are continuing buying rounds?

Desperate times: Marines told to ?save every round? ? CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

You could not be more incorrect in your assumptions/evaluation. That is not how contracts work... Do your homework.

 

[Dave44]

And I guess the Marines having to conserve ammo is then incorrect? What part of the post is so far out? Paying, options, contract terms?

Do you have anything to offer other than trying to attack me? Looking for a little clarity here, but I already know it cannot come from you, Jersey. I do not think you have the ability to look past your ideology. There are a great many posts I can go after you on for lack of education. Is that what you want me to start doing, Really?

 

[arnofarrell]

Government contracts are diffrent then a normal contract, They put in an order because they are the first priority for ammo manufacturers. The gov doesn't have to pay until they pick up, it makes sense to me.

If they were to reneg on the deal then the market will be flooded but I dont personally think it will cause these companies to go out of business. I know personally that myself and many of my friends would buy as much as we can afford if ammo floods the market and they can still charge regular price. It is always something that will be in demand.

 

[arnofarrell]

But I do not agree with what they are doing.

 

[Dave44]

I found another opinion that points to something else that is left undefined, Here;
Feds Buy Two Billion Rounds of Ammunition

But this is the most interesting part to me.
"
Even though the National Rifle Association says that the amount of ammunition bought isn’t excessive, considering the number of federal agents and the fact that the ammunition is used over a five-year period, there are others who question why the need for so many federal agents. Among them is Jeff Knox, director of The Firearms Coalition, who said:

It’s not the number of bullets we need to worry about but the number of feds with guns it takes to use those bullets. There are currently more than 70 different federal law enforcement agencies employing over 120,000 officers with arrest and firearms authority . . . That’s an increase of nearly 30 percent between 2004 and 2008. If the trends have continued upward at a relatively steady rate, that would put the total number of federal law enforcement officers at somewhere between 135,000 and 145,000. That’s a pretty staggering number, especially when you consider that there are only an estimated 765,000 state and local law enforcement officers. That means that about one in seven law enforcement officers in the country works directly for the federal government, not a local jurisdiction. "

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[Dave44]

1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation - Forbes
Decommissioned mine resistant tanks on American streets. I believe I saw that in one of Reds Posts?

And this Article;
DHS has been buying more than bullets. As we noted in a recent editorial, DHS is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO "personal defense weapons" (PDW) — also known as "assault weapons" when owned by civilians. The request, issued on June 7, 2012, calls these AR-15 variants "select-fire" weapons, meaning they can be both semi-automatic and automatic.

Additionally, DHS is asking for 30 round magazines that "have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5.56x45mm NATO rounds."

Read More At Investor's Business Daily: DHS Makes Huge Ammunition And Weapon Purchases For Unclear Purposes - Investors.com
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[jerseyben]

I was going to prepare a long well written explanation of the gross inaccuracies in your post but... "I do not think you have the ability to look past your ideology". Well you said it... and I have no interest in attempting to educate someone when I am obviously wasting my time.

You guys can enjoy blowing the wind up each other's sails and pretending like you know what you are talking about.

 

[Dave44]

I was going to prepare a long well written explanation of the gross inaccuracies in your post but... "I do not think you have the ability to look past your ideology". Well you said it... and I have no interest in attempting to educate someone when I am obviously wasting my time.

You guys can enjoy blowing the wind up each other's sails and pretending like you know what you are talking about.

A heartfelt Thank You is in order I believe.
Have a Good Day!

 

[Dano Sverige]

Let's look at the figures here:

145,000 Feds v 80 MILLION private gun owners

I'd say the Feds are justified in the ammo order! (gun and vehicle orders too when you see how outgunned they are! lol)

 

[Dave44]

Well Dano, that would make sense if they plan on going to war with the gun owners. What do you know, when did you know it? lol

 

[Dano Sverige]

Alex Jones sent me an email a week ago!

 

[arnofarrell]

Well Dano, that would make sense if they plan on going to war with the gun owners. What do you know, when did you know it? lol

I second that

 

[Bum Luck]

I found another opinion that points to something else that is left undefined, Here;
Feds Buy Two Billion Rounds of Ammunition

But this is the most interesting part to me.
"
Even though the National Rifle Association says that the amount of ammunition bought isn’t excessive, considering the number of federal agents and the fact that the ammunition is used over a five-year period, there are others who question why the need for so many federal agents. Among them is Jeff Knox, director of The Firearms Coalition, who said:

It’s not the number of bullets we need to worry about but the number of feds with guns it takes to use those bullets. There are currently more than 70 different federal law enforcement agencies employing over 120,000 officers with arrest and firearms authority . . . That’s an increase of nearly 30 percent between 2004 and 2008. If the trends have continued upward at a relatively steady rate, that would put the total number of federal law enforcement officers at somewhere between 135,000 and 145,000. That’s a pretty staggering number, especially when you consider that there are only an estimated 765,000 state and local law enforcement officers. That means that about one in seven law enforcement officers in the country works directly for the federal government, not a local jurisdiction. "

​

What's so strange about that?

We don't need border patrol officers? ICE officers? Coast Guard? FBI? Federal prison officers? Crime going down?

Here's the breakdown, on page 2, by agency: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fleo08.pdf

 

[Dave44]

Your link locked up. I assume that it meant to show that all of these agencies, and all of these new officers needed the practice that only hollow points could give?

And why is the expected jump in officers not strange to you?

Right about one thing. The declining morality, declining take home pay, rising taxes,, soon to be inflation and a pushed gun ban would indeed make it a dangerous, lawless country.

 

[truckinbutch]

I was going to prepare a long well written explanation of the gross inaccuracies in your post but... "I do not think you have the ability to look past your ideology". Well you said it... and I have no interest in attempting to educate someone when I am obviously wasting my time.

You guys can enjoy blowing the wind up each other's sails and pretending like you know what you are talking about.

Well , I , for one , am going to miss your enlightening insights ............NOT!