✅ SOLVED Small copper "tube"???

[BVI Hunter]

This about 2 1/2 inch long and seems to have been flattened?
It also have a shaped top edge to it?

Any thoughts?

 

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[Kaleb71386]

Native American hair tube??

 

[calisdad]

Cane tip?

 

[gunsil]

Looks similar, and about the right size for the brass tip on an 1800s bayonet scabbard. Can't see too well in the photos, but is the bottom (smaller diameter) end closed?? If not it wouldn't be a scabbard tip.

 

[releventchair]

Scalloped edge looks deliberately decorative. On another thread I guessed wrong on a top piece for a dirk or dagger sheath I thought may have been for a bayonet sheath. Your piece could fit at bottom of a sheath if it appears smaller than a sword scabbard. Short blades may have been more common but would depend on your finds source, military/privateer heavy, or civilian/mariner/trades type,even( sigh) landlubber like meself..

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Some bayonet scabbard-tips have a pointy end, and some have a flat end. For an example of the latter, see the photo below, which shows an 1803-1837 British Baker bayonet scabbard-tip's flat bottomed end.

Also... some scabbard tips were solid-cast, and some were a rolled-sheetbrass sleeve with a finial soldered into the smaller end of the sleeve. Often the finial is missing from excavated specimens, leaving an open hole at that end of the sleeve.

A way to tell whether a similar-looking brass sleeve is a scabbard tip or not:
If it is a scabbard tip, there should be a small punch-hole (sometimes, two) near its wider end, for the tiny pins which attached the scabbard-tip onto the scabbard's main body. See the other photos.

 

[BVI Hunter]

Some bayonet scabbard-tips have a pointy end, and some have a flat end. For an example of the latter, see the photo below, which shows an 1803-1837 British Baker bayonet scabbard-tip's flat bottomed end.

Also... some scabbard tips were solid-cast, and some were a rolled-sheetbrass sleeve with a finial soldered into the smaller end of the sleeve. Often the finial is missing from excavated specimens, leaving an open hole at that end of the sleeve.

A way to tell whether a similar-looking brass sleeve is a scabbard tip or not:
If it is a scabbard tip, there should be a small punch-hole (sometimes, two) near its wider end, for the tiny pins which attached the scabbard-tip onto the scabbard's main body. See the other photos.

Man, do you know your stuff!!

let me check it and get some more detail!

 

[BVI Hunter]

looking closely under my jewelers loupe, I can see its "sheet rolled" with a seam along one edge.
I have two decorative lines but due to many rust pinholes, can not see for sure any "fixing holes"

Give the history here, I would concur it being British origin.

 

[BVI Hunter]

Remnant of the Tip of a Bayonet Sheath: 1812 History

#9 has the "flying "(to me) curves. Germanic ,but is that where design originated?Many British so far reviewed are rather straight across cuts.

Wittmann Militaria Hunting, Forestry & Shooting Cutlasses - Imperial & 3rd Reich

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[releventchair]

We are looking at a "chape" in o.p..



Of interest here is mention of German maker.(Sorry,lowest link to Martini below mentions connection.) First match to scallop of o.p. was Germanic.(#9 shown)Wittmann Militaria Hunting, Forestry & Shooting Cutlasses - Imperial & 3rd Reich

Martini? Bayonet in Swords, Bayonets, and Edged Weapons Forum