Small 33 Star flag

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shortbuss

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Hello all, this is my first post on this website. A little about me, I came to this website first for the coin roll hunting.
I bought this small set at a antique fare. I have looked into this set and can't find anything just like it. My guess is this was someone's artifacts that they dug since the location's are different. I have not found much information about the flag, I have some concerns that it is a fake. To me the rips and holes seem to uniform. I am hoping that someone can tell me more information about this set.

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Thank you,
Alex
 

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Welcome to the site Alex. That is a very cool display, hopefully it is real and someone can give us some info. The bullets and button look real. Good luck
 

That is a really neat display. The bullets are real and the flag looks good but I can't say for sure. It's a beautiful set.
 

Just wanted to give this thread a bump. Would love to know more about this flag. Real,fake or how it was used.
 

So I wanted to give everyone a update. First I would like to thank everyone who posted, and I do apologize for not posting sooner. I went to my local museum to talk the the curator. The good news, the sewing machine was invented by (1861) so that could is why the stitching is so straight. The bad news he is skeptical of two things, first the holes, he too thinks the holes are to lined up and too much of a pattern. The second thing that he thought was odd is the lack of evidence of use. I agree since there is no (rivet's) for the flag to be hoisted, although it is very small, also there is no fabric (left) for a pole to be attached, (to be waved or put into the ground), Nor do I see staple holes were the flag could have been stapled to a small wooden stick.

Again thank you all for who have replied and I am really looking forward to hearing/learning about this piece of history.

Thank you Alex
 

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To update the update, I was able to track down another (suspiciously smaller flag) on a auction site I use, but I have never bought from this auction company. The flag ended up selling for 140.00$ USD. The link for the sale is here.

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Alex
 

shortbuss said:
So I wanted to give everyone a update. First I would like to thank everyone who posted, and I do apologize for not posting sooner. I went to my local museum to talk the the curator. The good news, the sewing machine was invented by (1864) so that could is why the stitching is so straight. The bad news he is skeptical of two things, first the holes, he too thinks the holes are to lined up and too much of a pattern. The second thing that he thought was odd is the lack of evidence of use. I agree since there is no (rivet's) for the flag to be hoisted, although it is very small, also there is no fabric (left) for a pole to be attached, (to be waved or put into the ground), Nor do I see staple holes were the flag could have been stapled to a small wooden stick.

Again thank you all for who have replied and I am really looking forward to hearing/learning about this piece of history.

Thank you Alex
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Alex,

Could the holes be uniform due to the flag being folded and perhaps hit with a small fragment? Perhaps a bullet (buckshot) or something? Plausible yes?

Tina
 

DiggerGal said:
Alex,

Could the holes be uniform due to the flag being folded and perhaps hit with a small fragment? Perhaps a bullet (buckshot) or something? Plausible yes?

Tina
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That is a really good idea. The only problem is, I have not seen any other flags, besides the one on Liveauctioneers, but that doesn't mean there anymore out there.

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Alex
 

beautiful flag, great display
 

Hello,
This probably will not answer whether the flag is authentic. I joined the Friends of Gettysburg several years ago and received a Civil War US Flag. It has 35 stars. I questioned why as there were 23 states left in the Union. The stars for the 11 Confederate States were not removed from the US Flag. The removal of those 11 would have given credence that the Confederate States had seceded. I believe the 35th star was for WVA.
I guess the question concerning your flag is why there are 33 stars.
I hope my facts are straight. Would appreciate if someone could verify this.
Thanks.
 

PArebel said:
Hello,
This probably will not answer whether the flag is authentic. I joined the Friends of Gettysburg several years ago and received a Civil War US Flag. It has 35 stars. I questioned why as there were 23 states left in the Union. The stars for the 11 Confederate States were not removed from the US Flag. The removal of those 11 would have given credence that the Confederate States had seceded. I believe the 35th star was for WVA.
I guess the question concerning your flag is why there are 33 stars.
I hope my facts are straight. Would appreciate if someone could verify this.
Thanks.
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Thanks for your help, but I had read earlier that Lincoln (I think) did not remove the stars for that very reason to give credit to the Confederate States. With that, my question was if the flag is real. But thank's for your help.
 

The flag may have been kept in a book that ended up getting book worms, this "Vault" may be one of the reasons it survived.

If it were mine I'd keep looking for more authenticity evidence. Cool display!
 

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huntsman53 said:
The 33 Star Flag was used from 1859 to 1861 after Oregon was admitted to the Union! See the link below and scroll down to the "33 Star" Flag.

Evolution of the American Flag

I can't attest to the authenticity of the Flag but it may have been used for Political purposes and was tacked to a Buggy or Wagon which may account for the holes.

Rare Flags - Antique American Flags, Historic American Flags


Frank
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Thanks frank, that's a good idea, never thought it could have been tacked to something. Thank you for the second website I have not seen that website yet.

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Alex
 

Look up U.S. flag site on Google. They have a forum and then a section on the forum for collecting and identification
 

The holes could be so uniform because maybe at one time the flag was folded then the holes were made by something (ember??) Just an idea
 

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