Shipwreck PROVIDENCIA?

[nauticalcollector]

This real photo AZO (1906) postcard just sold on ebay (I didn't buy it).

I'm curious though...is this a picture of the beached PROVIDENCIA?

Comments?

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Great story and thanks for the pic. Ill save it. Here is a Providencia pic but its small. What did it sell for?
http://www.harveyoyer.com/uploads/files/Providencia.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=6j...resnum=6&ved=0CBUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Does the eBay listing show the back of the postcard? There are ways to date the AZO stamp box I just found out. http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_PC_0/0_post_card_history_-_stamp_boxes.htm

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

What is an AZO?

It's a type of photo paper.

What do i feel like i am talking to myself here?

I googled it and answered my own question.

 

[ivan salis]

was the vessel "PROVIDENCIA" owned by the * ATLANTIC COmpany?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think I misunderstood your previous post.
So, IS THIS the ship in question?



I was being a smartass ala the "I can't help you if you don't TALK to me" thing... :-)

( I posted the little dont know icon but I guess it wasnt obvious) I dont know but I am trying to find the eBay ad to look for the AZO postal square. I also searched Altlantic Company shipwreck but came up empty. So the answer is .

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Heres the eBay ad. Sold $36. http://cgi.ebay.com/PHOTO-1904-PALM...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c516862de

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The Post card appears to be 1904-1918 going by the 4 triangles in the corner of the stamp box..

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_PC_0/0_post_card_history_-_stamp_boxes.htm

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Heres the eBay ad. Sold $36. http://cgi.ebay.com/PHOTO-1904-PALM...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c516862de

You know the curious part about that Cy, is I am not totally sure that is the right ship, (see my previous post)
I just can't see wreck like that remaining intact for 28 years on THAT coast, especially..
Unless, (and it's about 50/50 I guess) the postcard was created 20 or so years after the photo was taken, but that photo looks curiously like 1900s...
I keep looking for examples of the ship, and I am coming up empty....

I posted the only pic I could find but its not conclusive. I dont know just posting whatever clues I can find.

 

[ivan salis]

funny thing is if it is the PROVIDENCIA * THE PHOTO OF THE WRECK at $36 went for more than the wreck itsself did $20.80 as sold by the insurance company for salvage .

 

[ivan salis]

the photo its self might have been made in 1878 --- with the image later made in to a tourist trap type post card in the early 1900's to explain how the town got its name ."palm beach" --- post cards were often sent "back home to others" to show "see we went to so and so" we're so high class

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

If there were no hurricanes, I think the ship could have stayed on the beach fairly intact for 28 years or so. The masts are gone and I see damage on the side. Someone would have to research to see if Palm Beach was hit in those years. We went 40 years here in Fort Lauderdale without a hurricane before Wilma hit. Heck those timbers could still be there under the sand.

 

[ivan salis]

locals most likely back the would have stripped her to the bones for build wood and scrap metal -- I think its a older picture 1878 used years later in "tourist" type post card of the era 1900 era

like a civil war photograph on a modern post card at a gettysburg sovie shop

 

[nauticalcollector]

Great story and thanks for the pic. Ill save it. Here is a Providencia pic but its small. What did it sell for?
http://www.harveyoyer.com/uploads/files/Providencia.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=6j...resnum=6&ved=0CBUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

It sold for $36.05
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=190344356574

 

[nauticalcollector]

Does the eBay listing show the back of the postcard? There are ways to date the AZO stamp box I just found out. http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_PC_0/0_post_card_history_-_stamp_boxes.htm

Back of the card is blank, unused AZO so it could range from about 1900-about 1920 if I recall right.

The photo itself could be much older. They offered these in gift shops.

 

[nauticalcollector]

opps! I see you got all this info already

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

yeah, I'm going with that as well..

Also, there were hurricanes in that part of the state EVERY year from 1900-1904, and infor before 1900 is inconclusive..

I couldnt find it. Here is a link of the major hurricanes since 1900 and it only mentions the Palm beach storm in 1928. http://www.pparker.org/hurricanes/hurricane_history.htm

The map shows 2 storms passing directly over Palm Beach Cat 3 or higher since 1851, and a few others in the next county, but Im too tired to look for the dates.

 

[nauticalcollector]

Just a sideline comment.

It's too bad that back then they didn't have the foresight to preserve those wrecks.

It's difficult to imagine how much money and tourist traffic these could have brought to an area.

 

[Skrimpy]

Not that I know anything about shipwrecks or the first ship isn't partial from decay, but my two cents is that those two pictures don't look like the same ship to me. It would be kind of neat if they were though. You should have bought the post card to find out.

 

[Ramitt]

If there were no hurricanes, I think the ship could have stayed on the beach fairly intact for 28 years or so. The masts are gone and I see damage on the side. Someone would have to research to see if Palm Beach was hit in those years. We went 40 years here in Fort Lauderdale without a hurricane before Wilma hit. Heck those timbers could still be there under the sand.

I can't imagine that the early settlers would not have stripped the rope and chain from the hulk over 20 years though. That stuff would have seemed fairly useful to them or to have been sold by the salvor.