Scottish Military Buttons ?

[ott]

Hi there ,this being my first post hopefully some one will id these buttons as i have no idea ,i have looked through various referance books but am unable to find them .

The pictured (2) has a scottish thistle with crown above and below has the number 9 , i am unable to read the writing around the outer part of the button itself.

The picture (3) again has a thistle and between the thistle and the crown a number 1 . around the outer part of the button i can just make out the wording (i think)
TRATHS ?EY FENCIBLES.

Any help will be much appreciated .

 

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[DCMatt]

Nice find! Strathspey Fencibles - 1793

DCMatt

 

[DCMatt]

From the Wikipedia - Highland Fencible Corps:

Grant or Strathspey Fencibles (1793)The Grant or Strathspey Fencibles were raised when Sir James Grant of Grant, having offered to raise a regiment, he obtained permission to do so, and two months after the declaration of war by France, the regiment was assembled at Forres in the end of April, 1793. With the exception of 41 Scottish Lowlanders, three Englishmen, and two Irishmen, the regiment consisted of Highlanders. On 5 June it was embodied and inspected by Lieutenant-general Alexander Leslie, marched to the southward in August, and quartered successively in most of the towns in the south of Scotland.[SUP][7][/SUP]
Whilst stationed at Dumfries in 1795, a mutiny broke out amongst the Strathspey Highlanders. A spirit of jealousy and distrust of their officers had taken deep root in the breasts of the men, in consequence of an attempt that had been made the preceding year at Linlithgow, to induce them to extend their service, which was confined to Scotland. They erroneously conceived that there was a design to entrap them; a suspicion which appears to have originated in the conduct of the officers, some of whom did not explain the nature of the proposals to their men, whilst others entirely mistook their import and meaning.[SUP][8][/SUP]
For a time the good understanding between the officers and the men appeared to have returned; but an incident which occurred at Dumfries rekindled the dying embers of dissension, and led to the most unpleasant consequences. A soldier in the ranks having made a jocular remark, which was considered as offensive by the officers, he and some of his comrades, who appeared to enjoy the joke, were put into confinement, and threatened with punishment[SUP][9][/SUP] This injudicious step roused the feelings of the Highlanders, who considered themselves as insulted and disgraced in the persons of the prisoners, and they could not endure that such a stain should "attach to themselves and their country from an infamous punishment for crimes, according to their views, not in themselves infamous in the moral sense of the word".[SUP][10][/SUP] The consequence was, that many of the soldiers, in open defiance of their officers, broke out, and released the prisoners.[SUP][9][/SUP]
After this unfortunate affair, the regiment was marched to Musselburgh, when Corporal James Macdonald, and privates Charles and Alexander Mackintosh, Alexander Fraser, and Duncan Macdougall, were tried, and being found guilty of mutinous conduct, condemned to be shot. The corporal's sentence was restricted to a corporal punishment. The four privates were marched out to Gullane Links, East Lothian, on 16 July 1795, and when they had arrived on the ground they were told that only two were to suffer, and that the two Mackintoshes would be permitted to draw lots. They accordingly drew, when the fatal one fell on Charles, who, with Fraser, was immediately shot in presence of the Scots Brigade, (afterwards the 94th regiment) and the Sutherland, Breadalbane, and Grant Fencibles. The others were ordered to join regiments abroad.[SUP][9][/SUP]
No other act of insubordination occurred in the regiment, which was disbanded in the year 1799.[SUP][9][/SUP]

 

[grasshopper]

When you were talking about the "wording on the edges" i thought you were referring to the back marks. They seem fairly legible, can you make out anything on the back? this would help find some more information.

 

[CRUSADER]

No.1 - Needs more clues, its clearly a Scottish Regiment, circa 1790-1810 but without some of those letters, I have no idea.

No.2 - nice early Scottish button - 1st Highland Fencible Regiment 1793-99

 

[ott]

No.1 - Needs more clues, its clearly a Scottish Regiment, circa 1790-1810 but without some of those letters, I have no idea.

No.2 - nice early Scottish button - 1st Highland Fencible Regiment 1793-99

Thanks for all your help so far , i have managed to get a more powerfull glass and i think looking through it ,it reads courtney & son ? this is on the back of the button.
and on the face i can just make out the letters ROYAL VETE ?.
Hope this will shed more light on it .and look forward to anymore information.

 

[grasshopper]

9th Royal Veterans Battalion?

 

[ott]

any idea when they formed ? thanks again anyway !