Scabbard tip? For what? Sword? Knife? Bayonet? Is it Military?

[Jaichim24]

The area I detected this from is pretty well saturated with Tombac 1 piece buttons of the 1750-1810 range, [FONT=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] brass 1 piece flat buttons, both raised back mark ones (1790-1820) and the later back marks that are imprinted (1820-1840) No military buttons that were 1 piece. I have found plenty of two-piece buttons, military ones from the USA (Eagle, and State Seal), Canada, and British. (The British one was Royal Artillery) (so 1850's- 1890's) This area was produced a plethora of late 1700's and 1800's period relics and coins. It is a social meeting area for affluent town leaders that covers 7 acres of fields, and the things I have found there supports that.
[/FONT]
Just to note, around the wider "top" section of the item on the seam side there are three holes that seems to indicate a location where it may have bee affixed/riveted to the leather portion of the scabbard. There is only one of these holes on the "front" side. Additionally, the "bottom" ball portion feels really solid, and may not be hollow.[FONT=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]

So with that background history in mind, is this item a scabbard tip? If so, based on its size, can someone tell me if it is for a sword, a bayonet, a knife, or something else?

Does anyone recognize the pattern/design on it? Does it indicate a specific typeor branch of military service or specific country of origin?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

[/FONT]

 

Amazon Forum Fav 👍

Agony and Death on a Gold Rush Steamer: The Disastrous Sinking of the Side-Wheeler Yankee Blade - Grab it through Amazon!

[Bruce R]

Sure looks like a scabbard tip, but the embossing on it looks older than anything I'm familiar with.

 

[NOLA_Ken]

Well, it's definitely a scabbard tip, and one of the coolest I've ever seen posted here.... Looking at the pattern it made me think of Scottish Thistle and I go to tinking it may be from a Dirk.... any Scottish presence in the area long long ago?

 

[digging440yrs]

This one is Scottish ---hope you can zoom in on it---

 

[Bruce R]

It appears to have shamrocks on it, a ritual dirk from Ancient Order of Hibernians ? Where was it found ?

 

[ARC]

Well, it's definitely a scabbard tip, and one of the coolest I've ever seen posted here.... Looking at the pattern it made me think of Scottish Thistle and I go to tinking it may be from a Dirk.... any Scottish presence in the area long long ago?

Agreed.

 

[Bruce R]

The design theme of the Scottish daggers were always more Celtic , on the very tip of your piece appears to be grapes or maybe even hops

 

[Jaichim24]

This was found in the USA, in Connecticut. I agree with the hops or grapes motifs as well as clovers being on it.

As far as the Ancient Order of Hibernians I had to google that. Interestingly enough, it google prompted for "CT" to the end of my search query. (may just be because of my previous searches) Apparently there are a few locations in Connecticut. If it were this, it would make more sense, b/c some of the feed back I have received is that most military scabbard parts are no-descript or spartan. However if it was a ceremonial blade for the AOH then perhaps the scabbard tip would be more elaborate.

Otherwise, this could just be an parasol or umbrella tip for all I know.

 

[Bruce R]

Also check Knights of St. Patrick, they used clovers on their stuff and I believe they originated in New England I collect lodge swords, and most were thin narrow blades similar to French style rapiers, so don't fixate on ceremonial daggers.