Saturdays Dig....updated with more pics

[flipper]

Saturday's Dig....updated with more pics

2nd dig of the season.

1850's property.. After pokign around a bit, we started to dig. Hit a stone lined pit...

Here are a few of the nicer pieces we pulled out. Had about a 8 broken blobs... Was able to pull my first blob out of this pit. Had a small chip out of the bottom...

The medicine bottle is a ground open pontil..

The one pipe had a name on it. Peter Dorny or Dorni

The hutch was broken but found the top, small piece still missing.

Will return for the other pit onsite to see if it is older than this one... Not much in it, but it was all old. There were a bunch of broken Jamaca Ginger bottles....

 

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[treasurefiend]

Re: Saturday's Dig....

AWESOME digs my friend!!!!!

 

[flipper]

Re: Saturday's Dig....

Here are some more pics...

The small screw top says, "OUR ROSEBUD C&T NY" any ideas what it is? Year?

The picture of the one blob has a "Double Collar"?? The neck was cracked, it is glued now.. what a bummer :-(

 

[mile-ender]

Re: Saturday's Dig....

Here are some more pics...

The small screw top says, "OUR ROSEBUD C&T NY" any ideas what it is? Year?

Maybe these guys? http://www.smithsrosebudsalve.net/index.html

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Re: Saturday's Dig....updated with more pics

Flip ~

Nice finds. I just wish I had a dump or two to dig in like the one(s) in your area. Everything here in southern California is either private property, which the owners are reluctant to allow anyone to access, or with southern California being so hilly and having endless canyons and ravines, the remote sites on public land usually require a four wheel drive vehicle or a tank to get to them ... neither of which I have.

The picture from the Rosebud link was too good to pass up ...

SBB

 

[flipper]

Re: Saturday's Dig....updated with more pics

Not sure if this is the same company or not.. The bottle says NY on it... I am guessing it is pre 1900. Everything in the Pit was older than 1900.... Still a neat little bottle. When did the first screw tops come out?

This dig was private property. We left the place better than it was when we got there. So the neighbors can see that end result. We are hoping to score more digs in the same block. Not too keen on the dump digs. I dug our local dump and it is hard to access the good stuff, if it is not broken...too much back fill. There are other dumps in town from the 1850/1860 era, but no one knows where they are.... I am trying to study the old maps to see where the concentration of the first settled houses were. Have a few places in mind,... who knows, might stumble upon one some day...

 

[jgas]

Re: Saturday's Dig....updated with more pics

Nice stuff right there Flipper. Nice Blob on that one. You are in an old area thats for sure! jgas

 

[flipper]

Re: Saturday's Dig....updated with more pics

What is the deal with the double collar on the one bottle? Was that an earlier or later development?

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Re: Saturday's Dig....updated with more pics

Flip ~

If you are referring to the dark green bottle in the last picture, it may be an applied lip with double collar. The lower collar was intended to accomodate a wire which in turn looped up and over the top to secure the cork in place. The "applied" part means that the closure top itself was put on after the bottle was removed from the mold. If the green bottle has a true applied lip/top, there should be indications of some "dripping" where the molten glass of the neck and top came together. These types of bottles date to the late 1800s. By the way, what does the embossing on that green bottle say?

Thanks,

SBB

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Re: Saturday's Dig....updated with more pics

Flip ~

Earlier you asked about screw tops. The following is kind of basic, but hopefully will answer your question.

SBB

~ Screw Tops ~

Some early glass blowers made screw tops during the 1860’s, but the standard thread screw top was not common until 1924. The vast majority of screw tops found will be these common 20th century versions and do not have much value. Early screw tops can be distinguished from automatic machine made screw top bottles because they will have a rough ground lip and will not have a mold seam that runs through the lip.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Re: Saturday's Dig....updated with more pics

Here's a few more as a little bonus They can all be Googled for pictures.

[ There were literally dozens/hundreds of various closures over the years ]

~ * ~

Lightning Stopper, circ: 1875-1910,
Invented by: Charles De Quillfeldt,
American Patent: January 5, 1875, Number: 158,406

This stopper revolutionized beer bottling and was an almost instant success for Karl Hutter who acquired the patent rights and popularized this stopper when it was reissued in 1877. In 1878, Henry Putnam also acquired and interest in this stopper and in 1882 adapted it for use on fruit jars. There were many imitators of this patent over the years, but they all worked on the same principle of leveraging a rubber disk into the lip of the bottle to make a seal.

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Hutter Stopper, circ: 1893-1920,
Invented by: Karl Hutter,
American Patent: February 7, 1893

This stopper was an improvement to the Lightning stopper and was extremely popular and eventually replaced the Lightning as the preferred beer bottle stopper. A tapered porcelain plug was fitted with a rubber washer on the bottom and forced into the lip of the bottle to seal it. This stopper was replaced with the crown cork.

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Hutchinson Stopper, circ: 1879-1915,
Invented by: William H. Hutchinson,
American Patent: April 4, 1879 Number: 213,992

This was an improvement to Matthews gravitating stopper and worked on the same principle. When the stopper was raised, the pressure of the carbonated contents sealed the rubber gasket against the base of the neck. Unlike Matthews, it was cheaper and more efficient to use. Also, the bottle did not have to be filled upside down. To bottle, the stopper was put in the downward position, the contents were injected into the bottle with a nozzle. This nozzle contained a hook that grabbed the top loop of the stopper and pulled it upward thus sealing the bottle. This stopper was deemed unsanitary because dust and dirt could settle above the stopper and contaminate the drink when the contents were dispensed. Its replacement was the crown cork.

 

[flipper]

Re: Saturday's Dig....updated with more pics

As always, thanks for the info.....

Looks like that little screw top I found is an early one since the seam does not travel throught the threads and it is rough around the lip.


Tx
Flip

 

[MiniMe]

Re: Saturday's Dig....updated with more pics

Wow, excellent recoveries. Those pipes are smokin' - beautiful. Can't wait to see what else you find in that pit. HH!