Saloon token trade

[jimzz977]

I traded one of my saloon token, Cartridge plate and this Bugle insignia , need info a on it

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[Mackaydon]

[FONT=&quot]1858 regulation enlisted infantryman's insignia for dress (Hardee) hat and, although unauthorized for use by soldiers, later used on kepis and forage caps.
[/FONT]https://www.regtqm.com/Enlisted-Hat-Brass-Infantry-p/ins-10.htm
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[jimzz977]

I hope I did a good trade my token was valued at 150.00

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[TheCannonballGuy]

As you know, in the relic-collecting hobby, Condition and Completeness (no missing parts) affect the dollar-value almost as much as Rarity does. The oval US cartridge box plate in that condition, having some scaling of the solder filler-metal in its back (which is a "minus"), but complete with both iron wire attachment-loops (which is a "plus"), would bring about $150 at a civil war relic show in Virginia (where I live), perhaps a bit more elsewhere.

The model-1858 US Army Infantry hunting-horn insignia is mostly complete, probably missing its iron wire attachment-loops, but shows a shovel-hit on its mouth and its body is twisted at other places. It would sell for about $25 at a relic show in Virginia.

I never rely on Ebay prices, because there's little rhyme-or-reason to sales there. I've seen a $75 dug Confederate Infantry button sell for $50 and also for $150 on Ebay, because two guys who wanted it got into a bidding contest. It's crazy. Always remember that Ebay is an Auction site... and darn near anything can happen in Auction bidding. It is not a reliable indicator of any object's value.

 

[jimzz977]

Thanks, that's what need your help is greatly appreciated , last question plate and infantry horn hat pin real ?

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[jimzz977]

I traded a Majestic saloon chamberpot token with a 1905 Indian Head penny in the middle

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[Worm-Slicer]

Was the U.S. plate sold as a non-dug one? If it was sold as dug, I would be extremely suspicious because it lacks any patina. If that was advertised as a dug one, I would have avoided that one. The hat pin, no question is real. I suppose if the U.S. plate came from water it could possibly have that lack of patina, but I guess it depends on where they said the plate was found. Could even be a reenactor's plate, but I'm not sure as I don't know how similar those are to the real deal.

 

[Icewing]

I found a saloon token once that some 'experts' told me was worth, and offered me $150.
I sold it on eBay, and got almost $500.
Just sayin....

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

The horn insignia and the US boxplate are definitely the real thing. The metal used as the "filler" in the back of the thin sheetbrass front of US eagle breastplates and oval US buckles and cartridge boxplates was Solder. NOT lead, although nearly everybody says "lead-filled." Lead patina (oxidation/corrosion) can easily be faked. The excavated (dug) Solder filler in buckle, breastplate, and boxplate backs has a very distinctive flaky/cracked form of corrosion, which cannot be faked. So, what we see on the back of your boxplate is the proof that it is a real one, not a reproduction.

I must add that Worm Slicer's concern is understandable, based on the lack of the usual "dug" patina on your boxplate's front. However, I've been an excavated civil war relics dealer (and digger) for over 40 years. In that time I've seen many US buckles, boxplates, and breastplates whose brass front was overcleaned/shined by the digger. Unless something as extreme as sandpaper was used to shine the brass, it eventually re-tarnishes to the color you see on the front of your boxplate. I am quite certain it is real.

 

[jimzz977]

Thanks that info, I really appreciate it

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[Davers]

Was the U.S. plate sold as a non-dug one? If it was sold as dug, I would be extremely suspicious because it lacks any patina. If that was advertised as a dug one, I would have avoided that one. The hat pin, no question is real. I suppose if the U.S. plate came from water it could possibly have that lack of patina, but I guess it depends on where they said the plate was found. Could even be a reenactor's plate, but I'm not sure as I don't know how similar those are to the real deal.

I'm always suspicious, & trust anyone I don't know well.

I found a saloon token once that some 'experts' told me was worth, and offered me $150.
I sold it on eBay, and got almost $500.
Just sayin....

That deal will always work. LOL