Royal Navy button, brass gauge!

[diggingthe1]

I doubt that will appear in my title again but you never know. I found this yesterday in a construction zone of a gold mining town in CO. It's probably much newer that the absolutely amazing ones posted. The back is in great shape. The bench mark reads A DE MONTAUD MADRID. Please share any information on the button if you can. The brass gauge is hard to find a simular one. I love the look of the old writing. L M Rumsey mfc co St Louse, MO
Jas P Marsh & co gauges and valves 1865-1898 Chicago.
Both companies have quite a history.
It's hard to find a can with any writing on it. Thanks for looking, I've been getting out between the lightning storms! Hope you find a keeper!

 

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[CRUSADER]

Your right, its not Navy & it is modern civvy,

 

[trapperart]

Congrats on your finds

 

[diggingthe1]

Thanks for the posts. It is sure nice to have summer here!!!! You never know what's out there!

 

[Iron Patch]

Looks like Spanish Navy to me.


This of course is an earlier button, but I could see the progression leading to a 2 piece like yours.

ROYAL NAVAL FORCES, Ca. 1812-1820s​

These buttons, like many of Spain's military goods of the Napoleonic period, are British-made. A nearly identical crown-over-anchor device was adopted by the British Royal Navy in 1812, although these Spanish-crowned examples of the period were made for use by Spain. This general style of military button design was produced in Britain for European and American military establishments through the 1830s.
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[nagant]

I like that gauge too, cool finds

 

[CRUSADER]

Looks like Spanish Navy to me.


This of course is an earlier button, but I could see the progression leading to a 2 piece like yours.

ROYAL NAVAL FORCES, Ca. 1812-1820s​

These buttons, like many of Spain's military goods of the Napoleonic period, are British-made. A nearly identical crown-over-anchor device was adopted by the British Royal Navy in 1812, although these Spanish-crowned examples of the period were made for use by Spain. This general style of military button design was produced in Britain for European and American military establishments through the 1830s.
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Completely different anchor type.
However, if it is a foreign Navy it will be useful to see the reverse, because I assumed it was a steel back.

 

[pepperj]

Nice assortment, the gauge is probably from a temperature gauge from a steam vessel of some sorts. Nice button also, a pic of the back would confirm dating.

 

[RVRoamer74]

Very interesting finds...Congrats !!

 

[against the wind]

Congratulations on a very interesting hunt.
What kind of snake oil did that "Cure All" can hold?

 

[diggingthe1]

Thanks for the posts. I'm away for the day but the button is a two piece. I'll post a picture this evening. It looks like the scoville ones I find. I imagine that cure all tasted horrible. I'll post a,picture of the other side of the can too.

 

[Scrappy]

I don't have much to add about the button, but since I'm sitting on my couch unable to hunt this wknd, here goes. It looks like it was copied from one of the early 1800's 1-piece navy buttons. My guess is, if it has a brass back, latter 1800's to (most likely) earlier 1900's. If you can figure on which flavor backmark of Scoville you have, that can narrow the date.

 

[nhbenz]

When looking into the backmark, which could be found on some Spanish military buttons, I came across this site listing and showing some Spanish backmarks which might be useful as a reference for others: BOTONISTICA. IMAGENES LEYENDAS FABRICANTES DE BOTONES

 

[Trezurehunter]

Nice finds. I like that Brass Gauge.

 

[Iron Patch]

Completely different anchor type.
However, if it is a foreign Navy it will be useful to see the reverse, because I assumed it was a steel back.

yes, and why I said it's clearly an earlier button. If you look at the early British one piece, and compare to the later 2 piece.... it's easy to do the same here for Spanish. It looks like a reasonable quality button... Spanish crown so obviously it's not going to match the British design, and the fact he can clearly read a backmark (Spanish one) suggests it's not iron.

 

[CRUSADER]

yes, and why I said it's clearly an earlier button. If you look at the early British one piece, and compare to the later 2 piece.... it's easy to do the same here for Spanish. It looks like a reasonable quality button... Spanish crown so obviously it's not going to match the British design, and the fact he can clearly read a backmark (Spanish one) suggests it's not iron.

Sorry.
He stated ''bench mark'' & I skim read it & thought he was talking about the other item.

Your right it must be a later Spanish version. When I first looked at it I thought the Crown looked way too Generic to be Royal. (& like I said I assumed steel back) I don't aways pay as much attention as I should when I fly through these posts. My mistake.

It maybe worth the OP trying to get a full ID now in the 'What Is It'. (Full details with reverse picture etc)

 

[diggingthe1]

Thanks for the posts! I am surprised by the variety and amount and varieties of military buttons. I would love to dig up more. It's a long way from home up found here at 9000 feet.

 

[Diggin Dude]

Nice digs! Really like the gage plate! Congrats and HH

 

[Iron Patch]

Sorry.
He stated ''bench mark'' & I skim read it & thought he was talking about the other item.

Your right it must be a later Spanish version. When I first looked at it I thought the Crown looked way too Generic to be Royal. (& like I said I assumed steel back) I don't aways pay as much attention as I should when I fly through these posts. My mistake.

It maybe worth the OP trying to get a full ID now in the 'What Is It'. (Full details with reverse picture etc)

Ok... makes sense, and I was wondering because even if I might not add a reply to any particular thread the vast majority of times I totally agree with what you say. So this one struck me funny because it seemed pretty straight forward. At least straight forward to what seemed like the best guess.