Roman coin help

[SilverLunker]

I found this coin a few weeks ago by chance...a store worker had one of those Coinstar machines open and i walked over intrigued with what she was doing and what could be in there. She empties a few "trash" bins and pulls out a euro and puts it aside. She then picks up the roman coin and say "i dont even know what this is" i picked it up and immediatley my jaw dropped and i asked if i could have it, she says no problem we usually just throw that stuff out!!! So i have done endless research and cant seem to pin point what it is exactlly, so i took it to my local coin shop and he says he doesnt know much about ancient roman coins. My biggest concern was is it real and he said that it is. So again any help/advice is much appreciated

 

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[yaxthri]

R U for real?...

 

[SilverLunker]

Yes the story is amazingly real. like I said I couldn't believe what I was looking at and figured it had to be fake with the condition it was in and how I found it. Guy at the coin shop said its "probably" worth $35!!! I didn't take that to seriously after he said he wasn't an ancient coin expert.

 

[Bramblefind]

Really cool find I think though there is a possibility this is a neat forgery. I wasn't able to find that obverse /reverse combination. It looks like Gordian and TR POT XI COS II.

The one reference I did find was a posting to a Coin Forgery Discussion group - unfortunately no photo so it is not possible to be sure this is the same coin design they are discussing-

Coin Forgery: Re: [CFDL] Fake Gordian Afrikanus Denarius - Help

CFDL:>
> Here is a fake Slavey Gordian Afrikanus denarius from Maygo_3
muled
> with a different reverse
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120316955399
> I found Marcus Aurelius denarii with a TR POT XI COS II reverse,
but
> a different devices. Does anyone recognize this reverse and whom
it
> belongs to?
>
> Thank you,
> Cliff Laubstein

Hi, Cliff
>
> Well, Maygo, in the line of doing the work bad, he did extremely
well
>
> The reverse is the reverse of Marcus Aurelius, RIC 469 : Apollo
holding patera and Lyre.
> Just that is from an aureus :-)
> I only find in RIC.
>
> Well, not bad: muling, changing metals......
>
> With best wishes
>
> Lluís

This is just the information I was able to find. Maybe someone else here has more info that can shed additional light on your coin...

 

[SilverLunker]

From the research I have done it resembles the Denarius Lucius Versus coin...any thoughts?

 

[Silver Searcher]

From the research I have done it resembles the Denarius Lucius Versus coin...any thoughts?

The coin is that of Gordian, the reverse does not appear on the coins listed for Gordian. Coins of Gordian are rare, it's always the rare coins that are faked.

SS

 

[SilverLunker]

What steps can I take to verify if its real or fake? My local coin dealer doesn't deal with ancient coins. Is there a reputable place I could possibly send it?

 

[Silver Searcher]

What steps can I take to verify if its real or fake? My local coin dealer doesn't deal with ancient coins. Is there a reputable place I could possibly send it?

I haven't looked for the reverse, but if it is that of a reverse used by another Emperor then it most likely a fake.
Most ancient Roman dies were probably used up in only for a few days or possibly a few weeks. There are rare instances of the the same reverse die used by two different emperors, but always where it was logical to happen. An example would be co-emperors striking coins in the same mint at the same time. Another example would be if a die was used for both the last coin type of one Emperor, and the first issued by his successor.

SS

 

[Bramblefind]

You might want to sign up and post it at the Forvm board. They have a whole section devoted to authentication -

FORVM`s Classical Numismatics Discussion Board - Index

 

[silvermagnet]

i would be unbelievably happy to get reject bin coins. they never open them when im there