Restoration - my thoughts - no offense to anyone else

Twitch

Silver Member
Feb 1, 2010
2,877
2,335
Missouri
People should do whatever they want with the pieces they find. You found them, you can sell them, restore them, return them to the wild, smash them into tiny pieces, or roll them up and try to smoke them. They're not a possession of mankind, they're a possession of a man (or women), do whatever you want.

For me though, I don't see what's wrong with a broken piece? Pieces break. They broke anciently, they break from modern impacts. I look at a nice piece of a tool and appreciate it as it is. I like finding whole pieces as well but I don't really look at a great base and wish the tip was there. I know there used to be a tip there. I can imagine what the piece looks like with the tip. For me I'd rather not compromise the integrity of an artifact in the name of art (which is what I consider restored pieces). Artifacts have damage, have flaws, have imperfections. I collect artifacts, I can live with the damage, flaws and imperfections, to me that's a part of the game and not one that is bad.

Again, I really do mean no offense to the pro-restoration crowd. I'm know there are a lot of people out there who do it and I have no problem at all with them doing it. I'm just presenting a possible reason of why a guy wouldn't get a nice but incomplete piece restored.

I do have to agree with what Treasure Hunter (I think) said in another somewhat related post, that when I see restored points in a collection or associated with a collector it does cause me to have greater concern about the authenticity of the remainder of artifacts from the person.

Just my 2 cents.
 

Upvote 0
Good point and well taken Twitch. Personally, I wouldn't repair any of my personal finds but I have the utmost respect for the artists that perform the service. I can't imagine the skill that it takes to pull it off. Alot of us don't need a repaired artifact to have the appreciation but some folks just can't fill in the blanks otherwise. I considered this for one that my brother found, it was a type that he desires to add to his collection, rare to our locality and a true heartbreaker because the base was missing. It might have made a nice gift for someone that is otherwise hard to buy for. For reasons that you mention, I choose not to....not to mention, I need his help moving sand....gotta keep him motivated...lol.

Just curious, what are your thoughts regarding an artist hafting a true artifact into a manmade bone knife or wood arrow? I've struggled with this question......
 

geez i really have some i would like to see whole,the nice thing about a restoration is that it can b e undone 026.JPG
 

thanks rock,ya the dalton?is broke two tone a decature? still learning and need a camera.nough highjacking,thanks for the post joe..
 

1320 - I've never really considered hafting an old point. I'd say if fire away. On a thread a few days ago someone mentioned actually hunting with old points.

Jamey - Some nice pieces in there. I'm sure restored they'd look good. That lost lake / dove mid way up on the far right is from a nice early archaic piece. Two other decatures, a pinetree, the lost lake, cobb, nice finds in there.
 

If the break is ancient, I say leave it alone. If the break is modern, and there's no doubt about what it looked like, then maybe. The last piece I had restored by Gomer was a popeyed birdstone I got from the Townsend auction. It had some bad, homemade restoration that looked awful. I knew it was restored, paid about $5 grand less than an unbroken example, and now have a great looking piece.

Before that, my previous restoration was a great clovis that had a tip rechipping. It pained me to look at it, but it was a well made piece. The restoration looked better than a crude rechip.
 

If the break is ancient, I say leave it alone. If the break is modern, and there's no doubt about what it looked like, then maybe. The last piece I had restored by Gomer was a popeyed birdstone I got from the Townsend auction. It had some bad, homemade restoration that looked awful. I knew it was restored, paid about $5 grand less than an unbroken example, and now have a great looking piece.

Before that, my previous restoration was a great clovis that had a tip rechipping. It pained me to look at it, but it was a well made piece. The restoration looked better than a crude rechip.
Can you show us what one looks like after it is fixed?
 

For me though, I don't see what's wrong with a broken piece? Pieces break. They broke anciently, they break from modern impacts. I look at a nice piece of a tool and appreciate it as it is. I like finding whole pieces as well but I don't really look at a great base and wish the tip was there. I know there used to be a tip there. I can imagine what the piece looks like with the tip. For me I'd rather not compromise the integrity of an artifact in the name of art (which is what I consider restored pieces). Artifacts have damage, have flaws, have imperfections. I collect artifacts, I can live with the damage, flaws and imperfections, to me that's a part of the game and not one that is bad.

You're right, it is a personal preference but I agree with you 100%.
 

Can you show us what one looks like after it is fixed?

Before and after. The bottome picture had a lot of filler and paint. Gomer's work is hard to see, but glows under a black light. This piece is probably more art than artifact (still ancient), but it looks good in a frame with my broken birds and run of the mill pieces.

birdstone.jpg
 

Before and after. The bottome picture had a lot of filler and paint. Gomer's work is hard to see, but glows under a black light. This piece is probably more art than artifact (still ancient), but it looks good in a frame with my broken birds and run of the mill pieces.

Great job on the bird.
 

Twitch said:
People should do whatever they want with the pieces they find. You found them, you can sell them, restore them, return them to the wild, smash them into tiny pieces, or roll them up and try to smoke them. They're not a possession of mankind, they're a possession of a man (or women), do whatever you want.

For me though, I don't see what's wrong with a broken piece? Pieces break. They broke anciently, they break from modern impacts. I look at a nice piece of a tool and appreciate it as it is. I like finding whole pieces as well but I don't really look at a great base and wish the tip was there. I know there used to be a tip there. I can imagine what the piece looks like with the tip. For me I'd rather not compromise the integrity of an artifact in the name of art (which is what I consider restored pieces). Artifacts have damage, have flaws, have imperfections. I collect artifacts, I can live with the damage, flaws and imperfections, to me that's a part of the game and not one that is bad.

Again, I really do mean no offense to the pro-restoration crowd. I'm know there are a lot of people out there who do it and I have no problem at all with them doing it. I'm just presenting a possible reason of why a guy wouldn't get a nice but incomplete piece restored.

I do have to agree with what Treasure Hunter (I think) said in another somewhat related post, that when I see restored points in a collection or associated with a collector it does cause me to have greater concern about the authenticity of the remainder of artifacts from the person.

Just my 2 cents.

Hey Joe! Remember this piece?

image-3271516580.jpg

It really needed a pro restoration. It needed it the day it was knapped. Lol
 

This is the only piece I've ever had restored. As soon as I picked it up I knew I was going to to send it to Gomer and have him fix it. It was just to nice of a Thebes and to nice of material to leave broken. I tell everyone who looks at it that it was restored so I'm not trying to dupe anyone with it.
 

Attachments

  • 08-121.jpg
    08-121.jpg
    79.4 KB · Views: 126
  • Blades and Points (13).jpg
    Blades and Points (13).jpg
    124 KB · Views: 94
  • Blades and Points (14).jpg
    Blades and Points (14).jpg
    124.3 KB · Views: 100
Reaper, are you posting that the restorer fixed the broken point or made one to look like the original point?

As far as messing with artifacts, I would never do anything to the ones that I find. There is a place in Boerne, Texas that buys boxes of broken points from people in Arkansas and sells them for .50 each to tourists. I have picked out some nice material (thats what I call the artifacts now) and make some nice arrowheads out of them. I actually hunted with one on one of my arrows this year.

It was interesting to find out when I started flintknapping that a lot of flintknappers don't bowhunt. I took it up so I could make a point and hunt with it the way it used to be done. Hunting arrowheads gave me that drive to learn flintknapping. I would pick up a point or broken point (most of the time) and just wonder about the maker and what he shot at or hit with the point. My best find was a small clovis (authenticated) with the tip crushed a little. That hunter hit something and I wonder what it was.
 

Reaper, the minute I looked at that point I thought the material looks like Flintridge or more like Neathers Ridge. Then I looked to see that you are from Ohio.
What's your thoughts on ther material?
 

Before and after. The bottome picture had a lot of filler and paint. Gomer's work is hard to see, but glows under a black light. This piece is probably more art than artifact (still ancient), but it looks good in a frame with my broken birds and run of the mill pieces.

View attachment 706591

It does look nice and they are certainly hard to find....
 

Before and after. The bottome picture had a lot of filler and paint. Gomer's work is hard to see, but glows under a black light. This piece is probably more art than artifact (still ancient), but it looks good in a frame with my broken birds and run of the mill pieces.

View attachment 706591
Id like to see your collection in the man cave thread. I see you have been a member since 09 here. But yet you never come around?
 

Top Member Reactions

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top