Regarding the Lack of Finds on the Beach

Sand Swinger

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I recently came back to detecting after a few years hiatus and have noticed a lot of posts on the forums about the lack of Gold & Rings found on the beach. I’ve seen some posts saying that the detectorist used to find 70 or so rings in a typical season, but now they’re lucky to get 5 or 6. Lots of others are reporting that they’re only finding junk jewelry, and even that their clad finds are down.

I’ve been thinking about this, comparing my beach hunting several years ago, how it used to be, against how things might be today and came up with several possible reasons why this is happening. I know some of these have probably been mentioned or discussed, but 1 of the reasons I thought of, which I consider to be a BIG reason, I haven’t really seen anyone else mention, so I’ll throw it out to add to the list.

First off, we all know that the price of Gold & Silver, has skyrocketed over the last couple of years. I’m very happy about that, as for the last 3 years, I’ve been converting my 401K funds every year into physical gold & silver, also got my wife to do the same. I got tired of checking my 401K account and seeing red arrows pointing downward, and I just don’t trust the stock market or even the bond market, which I always considered to be a “safe haven” when the stock market was getting weird. I mean, if my investments are volatile or have been going down, then why bother. I could lose my money in a casino just as easily, and have much more fun while losing it, lol.

But IMO, the rise in the price of gold & silver has done a couple of things that can affect metal detecting:
  • I don’t think this is a secret, but I think more & more people are probably keeping their gold and more expensive jewelry in their room safe while they’re out on the beach. I don’t think the general public thought much about this years ago, but there’s been a lot of talk about gold & silver over the last 2 - 3 years, so just about everyone knows that the prices of precious metals have been skyrocketing. And where they may have worn their jewelry out on the beach in the past when the market was “normal” and nobody was talking about it, they’re now realizing their jewelry is much more valuable, and much more expensive to replace. So, I think a greater number of people want to safeguard their good stuff by keeping it in the safe in their rooms. I’ve always done this, I always take my wedding ring off and stash it before heading out to the beach when I detect, because I wear gloves and know it only takes a quick moment of distraction for that ring to come flying off if I pull that glove off without thinking, or when I get my hands wet while working the wet and water. You know what isn’t the only thing that shrinks when hit with cold water, fingers shrink too, lol.

  • Higher prices for gold & silver mean more people buying detectors, to try their luck at finding something valuable. There’s a lot more “competition” out on the beaches these days, but I think most of those detectorists are newbies or are on vacation. I’ve seen some of them detecting without a scoop, a trowel, or some type of tool they can use for digging. They’ll get more dangerous with a few more years’ experience, but you can usually tell beginners by their lack of preparedness and the way they swing their coil. Some of these guys have their coil ½ foot off the sand and are swinging from side to side in a large arc, like they’re swinging a golf club. So, their coil is only over the sand for maybe 1 second before shooting skyward, but even then, it’s a ½ foot above the sand, so there goes their depth. But God bless them, they’re out there trying, but it’s apparent that they’ve never received instruction on how to use a detector, or why it’s important to keep the coil close to the sand to get more depth and to keep the coil at an even height from the sand when swinging using a horizontal arc, not vertical arc, basic detecting stuff. They probably never cracked a beach hunting book or watched some instructional videos on YouTube. Just a few minutes of simple instruction could make them a lot more dangerous, lol. I just smile, give them a nod or a wave when passing by, and keep going. But just like they say that even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then, some of these guys are going to find some stuff, in spite of themselves. In the past, where you might have 1 or 2 other guys out on the beach, maybe there’s now 8 or 10 or 12. Greater numbers of detectorists increase the odds that they’ll find something, which will lower the odds that we’ll find it instead. We’ll have to work to find the deep stuff, but they have a chance at finding the easy, fresh drops, just as much as anyone else.
What about coins, clad and such, why the drop?

  • Seems more and more people these days use their credit cards, or their cell phones to make purchases, so the need for cash and/or coinage has decreased with technology. All the parking meters down at the resort areas and beaches in DE, except for the State Parks, take credit cards. Go to main street in Rehoboth, find a parking spot, and you’ll notice that they no longer even take coins or cash, they’ll only accept credit cards. So, the days of me stopping at the bank to get a roll of quarters to feed the parking meters have come to an end. Now, I too use my credit card when I need to park at a metered spot. Well, at least I no longer have to walk around with a couple pounds of quarters in my pocket. So, without the need for people to get those rolls of quarters or to have a bunch of change in their pockets, that will reduce the number of potential coins spilling out of their pockets when sitting at the beach.

  • More detectorists (see #2 above). Get a dozen guys out on the beach hitting the dry, and any easy clad that’s lying around and not too deep will be scooped up quickly, even if they’re swinging like a golfer.
But here’s another BIG reason I think is leading to a reduced number of rings & jewelry finds, haven’t really seen this one discussed much, if at all, in the forums.

  • Let’s go back 6, 7, 8 or more years ago. Back then, I didn’t care who was on the beach searching, because I owned the wet & water. There could be a dozen guys wondering around on the dry and it didn’t matter to me one bit. Because I’d just take my Minelab Sovereign Elite down on the wet and even into the water a bit, and I had no competition. Every now and then I’d see a guy swinging an Excalibur in the water or on the wet, I really didn’t run into too many other Sovereign owners. But all the guys working the dry seemed to be using Garrett Ace’s, maybe an AT Pro, I saw Tesoro’s, Bounty Hunters, a few Whites and some other brands. But all the detectors I saw the other guys using were SF detectors just a few years ago. And I had my Sovereign SMF BBS, so I could hunt the dry, wet, water, wherever I wanted to go. But if those guys running their SF detectors tried venturing down onto the wet with me, their detectors would start screaming and chattering like a cat that just had its tail stepped on. They’d last a few seconds, maybe a minute, then it was back up to the dry sand they would go. So, it was usually just me, maybe 1 other guy, hunting the wet and into the water. That’s where I wanted to be to find the heavy stuff. I might work the dry, mainly the towel line, if the tide was high or if I was waiting for the tide to drop. But as soon as it started dropping, I’d start at the top of the wet and work my way down, following the receding tide.

  • But now, it seems that’s all changed and now everyone seems to be swinging high-tech SMF detectors. I just picked up an X-Terra Elite myself to augment my Sovereign. 7 or more years ago, the Sovereign’s and Excalibur’s ruled the wet, as far as VLF’s go, along with a couple White’s, and of course the PI’s. I don’t ever recall running into many hunters running PI’s when I was out on the beach, it was always predominately VLF’s. But now, the surge in lower priced SMF detectors from brands like Minelab, Nokta, XP, and probably some other brands has now brought SMF technology to the masses, at very reasonable and sometimes downright low prices. So, in the past, where I may have been the only guy swinging an SMF detector on the wet and into the water, many more guys are now also swinging waterproof SMF detectors and now have the ability to follow me down to the wet and into the water. So, all the guys with SF detectors can spend their time on the dry, but now a larger number of guys with SMF detectors can venture into what used to be my almost exclusive territory. Now, they also can search anywhere on the beach, just like I’ve enjoyed for over 10+ years with my Sovereigns. They may not have the experience, and that counts, but at least now they have a machine capable of hunting wherever they want, just like me and my Sovereign. Oh, how I miss the old days, lol.
So, if we combine the fact that more and more people are probably safeguarding their good jewelry before hitting the beach, with the decreasing need for people to carry cash or coins in their pockets, along with the fact that there’s now a greater number of detectorists swinging some very high-tech SMF detectors in the dry, wet, or water, that’s going to affect the number of finds that we all make. In other words, less potential good jewelry targets + reduced need for people to carry cash/coins + more detectorists swinging high-tech SMF detectors = less targets potentially for us all to find.

Of course, the great thing about the beach is that I’ve always considered it to be a giant piggy bank. What we don’t find today, we might find tomorrow. Every shift in the tides and every storm has the potential to move sand, making targets appear within reach, or it can also dump sand, moving targets out of reach. But if there’s one thing I’ve learned about beach hunting, is persistence. We all know that the sand can change constantly throughout the day and evening. There’s been many times I’ve gone to the beach and saw large cuts or troughs that formed that weren’t there the day before. So, persistence is very important, gotta be the right person at the right spot at the right time.

And then, there’s a great tip I picked up from Terry Shannon on one of his videos. I’ve had this same idea over the years but never acted on it, always tried to go with what I thought was a “sure thing”. But now that I’ve seen some of his finds using this tip, the next time I’m at the beach, I’m gonna give it a try.

I’m sure I didn’t cover everything, probably missed a few reasons, but these were the ones the popped into my mind as the most logical reasons why finds might be down at beaches we’ve done well at in the past.
 

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This might be just me but I think detectorists today don't have the patience to wait it out over many hunts to find the goods. There are way more people packing the beaches now than before, at least here in central NJ.
 

This might be just me but I think detectorists today don't have the patience to wait it out over many hunts to find the goods. There are way more people packing the beaches now than before, at least here in central NJ.
And that my friend, is what I'm counting on, lol.

Sometimes I've come back with gold rings & jewelry, other times I came back with pocket change, not even enough to buy a cup of coffee. But I wouldn't have found those rings and jewelry if I hadn't gone back. Seems it's always that way, so gotta go back, have patience, and be persistent. The more you go back, the "luckier" you get.
 

Less good finds per hunt.....in public places.....sure. IMO mostly due to:

More competition
Better equipment to hunt all environments
Plastic and emoney replacing coins
An incredible variety of good looking junk jewelry to buy instead of expensive gold, platinum, palladium, etc.
Fewer places to hunt due to rules against detecting causing more detecting being done on the remaining allowed places.

Finding virgin public land to hunt is getting very hard to find, so, private land is where the future is in this hobby IMO.
 

I recently came back to detecting after a few years hiatus and have noticed a lot of posts on the forums about the lack of Gold & Rings found on the beach. I’ve seen some posts saying that the detectorist used to find 70 or so rings in a typical season, but now they’re lucky to get 5 or 6. Lots of others are reporting that they’re only finding junk jewelry, and even that their clad finds are down.

I’ve been thinking about this, comparing my beach hunting several years ago, how it used to be, against how things might be today and came up with several possible reasons why this is happening. I know some of these have probably been mentioned or discussed, but 1 of the reasons I thought of, which I consider to be a BIG reason, I haven’t really seen anyone else mention, so I’ll throw it out to add to the list.

First off, we all know that the price of Gold & Silver, has skyrocketed over the last couple of years. I’m very happy about that, as for the last 3 years, I’ve been converting my 401K funds every year into physical gold & silver, also got my wife to do the same. I got tired of checking my 401K account and seeing red arrows pointing downward, and I just don’t trust the stock market or even the bond market, which I always considered to be a “safe haven” when the stock market was getting weird. I mean, if my investments are volatile or have been going down, then why bother. I could lose my money in a casino just as easily, and have much more fun while losing it, lol.

But IMO, the rise in the price of gold & silver has done a couple of things that can affect metal detecting:
  • I don’t think this is a secret, but I think more & more people are probably keeping their gold and more expensive jewelry in their room safe while they’re out on the beach. I don’t think the general public thought much about this years ago, but there’s been a lot of talk about gold & silver over the last 2 - 3 years, so just about everyone knows that the prices of precious metals have been skyrocketing. And where they may have worn their jewelry out on the beach in the past when the market was “normal” and nobody was talking about it, they’re now realizing their jewelry is much more valuable, and much more expensive to replace. So, I think a greater number of people want to safeguard their good stuff by keeping it in the safe in their rooms. I’ve always done this, I always take my wedding ring off and stash it before heading out to the beach when I detect, because I wear gloves and know it only takes a quick moment of distraction for that ring to come flying off if I pull that glove off without thinking, or when I get my hands wet while working the wet and water. You know what isn’t the only thing that shrinks when hit with cold water, fingers shrink too, lol.

  • Higher prices for gold & silver mean more people buying detectors, to try their luck at finding something valuable. There’s a lot more “competition” out on the beaches these days, but I think most of those detectorists are newbies or are on vacation. I’ve seen some of them detecting without a scoop, a trowel, or some type of tool they can use for digging. They’ll get more dangerous with a few more years’ experience, but you can usually tell beginners by their lack of preparedness and the way they swing their coil. Some of these guys have their coil ½ foot off the sand and are swinging from side to side in a large arc, like they’re swinging a golf club. So, their coil is only over the sand for maybe 1 second before shooting skyward, but even then, it’s a ½ foot above the sand, so there goes their depth. But God bless them, they’re out there trying, but it’s apparent that they’ve never received instruction on how to use a detector, or why it’s important to keep the coil close to the sand to get more depth and to keep the coil at an even height from the sand when swinging using a horizontal arc, not vertical arc, basic detecting stuff. They probably never cracked a beach hunting book or watched some instructional videos on YouTube. Just a few minutes of simple instruction could make them a lot more dangerous, lol. I just smile, give them a nod or a wave when passing by, and keep going. But just like they say that even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then, some of these guys are going to find some stuff, in spite of themselves. In the past, where you might have 1 or 2 other guys out on the beach, maybe there’s now 8 or 10 or 12. Greater numbers of detectorists increase the odds that they’ll find something, which will lower the odds that we’ll find it instead. We’ll have to work to find the deep stuff, but they have a chance at finding the easy, fresh drops, just as much as anyone else.
What about coins, clad and such, why the drop?

  • Seems more and more people these days use their credit cards, or their cell phones to make purchases, so the need for cash and/or coinage has decreased with technology. All the parking meters down at the resort areas and beaches in DE, except for the State Parks, take credit cards. Go to main street in Rehoboth, find a parking spot, and you’ll notice that they no longer even take coins or cash, they’ll only accept credit cards. So, the days of me stopping at the bank to get a roll of quarters to feed the parking meters have come to an end. Now, I too use my credit card when I need to park at a metered spot. Well, at least I no longer have to walk around with a couple pounds of quarters in my pocket. So, without the need for people to get those rolls of quarters or to have a bunch of change in their pockets, that will reduce the number of potential coins spilling out of their pockets when sitting at the beach.

  • More detectorists (see #2 above). Get a dozen guys out on the beach hitting the dry, and any easy clad that’s lying around and not too deep will be scooped up quickly, even if they’re swinging like a golfer.
But here’s another BIG reason I think is leading to a reduced number of rings & jewelry finds, haven’t really seen this one discussed much, if at all, in the forums.

  • Let’s go back 6, 7, 8 or more years ago. Back then, I didn’t care who was on the beach searching, because I owned the wet & water. There could be a dozen guys wondering around on the dry and it didn’t matter to me one bit. Because I’d just take my Minelab Sovereign Elite down on the wet and even into the water a bit, and I had no competition. Every now and then I’d see a guy swinging an Excalibur in the water or on the wet, I really didn’t run into too many other Sovereign owners. But all the guys working the dry seemed to be using Garrett Ace’s, maybe an AT Pro, I saw Tesoro’s, Bounty Hunters, a few Whites and some other brands. But all the detectors I saw the other guys using were SF detectors just a few years ago. And I had my Sovereign SMF BBS, so I could hunt the dry, wet, water, wherever I wanted to go. But if those guys running their SF detectors tried venturing down onto the wet with me, their detectors would start screaming and chattering like a cat that just had its tail stepped on. They’d last a few seconds, maybe a minute, then it was back up to the dry sand they would go. So, it was usually just me, maybe 1 other guy, hunting the wet and into the water. That’s where I wanted to be to find the heavy stuff. I might work the dry, mainly the towel line, if the tide was high or if I was waiting for the tide to drop. But as soon as it started dropping, I’d start at the top of the wet and work my way down, following the receding tide.

  • But now, it seems that’s all changed and now everyone seems to be swinging high-tech SMF detectors. I just picked up an X-Terra Elite myself to augment my Sovereign. 7 or more years ago, the Sovereign’s and Excalibur’s ruled the wet, as far as VLF’s go, along with a couple White’s, and of course the PI’s. I don’t ever recall running into many hunters running PI’s when I was out on the beach, it was always predominately VLF’s. But now, the surge in lower priced SMF detectors from brands like Minelab, Nokta, XP, and probably some other brands has now brought SMF technology to the masses, at very reasonable and sometimes downright low prices. So, in the past, where I may have been the only guy swinging an SMF detector on the wet and into the water, many more guys are now also swinging waterproof SMF detectors and now have the ability to follow me down to the wet and into the water. So, all the guys with SF detectors can spend their time on the dry, but now a larger number of guys with SMF detectors can venture into what used to be my almost exclusive territory. Now, they also can search anywhere on the beach, just like I’ve enjoyed for over 10+ years with my Sovereigns. They may not have the experience, and that counts, but at least now they have a machine capable of hunting wherever they want, just like me and my Sovereign. Oh, how I miss the old days, lol.
So, if we combine the fact that more and more people are probably safeguarding their good jewelry before hitting the beach, with the decreasing need for people to carry cash or coins in their pockets, along with the fact that there’s now a greater number of detectorists swinging some very high-tech SMF detectors in the dry, wet, or water, that’s going to affect the number of finds that we all make. In other words, less potential good jewelry targets + reduced need for people to carry cash/coins + more detectorists swinging high-tech SMF detectors = less targets potentially for us all to find.

Of course, the great thing about the beach is that I’ve always considered it to be a giant piggy bank. What we don’t find today, we might find tomorrow. Every shift in the tides and every storm has the potential to move sand, making targets appear within reach, or it can also dump sand, moving targets out of reach. But if there’s one thing I’ve learned about beach hunting, is persistence. We all know that the sand can change constantly throughout the day and evening. There’s been many times I’ve gone to the beach and saw large cuts or troughs that formed that weren’t there the day before. So, persistence is very important, gotta be the right person at the right spot at the right time.

And then, there’s a great tip I picked up from Terry Shannon on one of his videos. I’ve had this same idea over the years but never acted on it, always tried to go with what I thought was a “sure thing”. But now that I’ve seen some of his finds using this tip, the next time I’m at the beach, I’m gonna give it a try.

I’m sure I didn’t cover everything, probably missed a few reasons, but these were the ones the popped into my mind as the most logical reasons why finds might be down at beaches we’ve done well at in the past.
Something I have noticed as well, it takes PEOPLE to lose shit... and even though (like Myrtle Beach for EX) the beaches have TONS of high rise hotels and condos, I almost NEVER see very many people in large groups in one area, Not many people means Not many finds..
 

Another thing i have noticed over the last few years is...
Not as many people wear jewelry to the beach as they once did.
I think this is due mainly to 2 reasons...
Gold / jewelry are not as trendy as it once was so less are buying / wearing it. (its coming back now though)
And the other reason is ... people are now "hipper" to the losing it factor.
I think more people think of this now more than they once did due to its value etc.
More people these days know that wearing jewelry at the beach is very risky.
now....
There are those who dont care or wear it all the time no matter what etc.
But the tan liners and smart ones are the first to take it off... or not wear it it all.... at the beach that is.
 

Another thing i have noticed over the last few years is...
Not as many people wear jewelry to the beach as they once did.
I think this is due mainly to 2 reasons...
Gold / jewelry are not as trendy as it once was so less are buying / wearing it. (its coming back now though)
And the other reason is ... people are now "hipper" to the losing it factor.
I think more people think of this now more than they once did due to its value etc.
More people these days know that wearing jewelry at the beach is very risky.
now....
There are those who dont care or wear it all the time no matter what etc.
But the tan liners and smart ones are the first to take it off... or not wear it it all.... at the beach that is.
Maybe we should go to a country where people still wear lots of Gold jewelry ...
Years ago I lived in Spain, a Catholic Country, and LOTS of people wore their love of God around their necks and on their fingers in Gold and Silver... Also in the summertime there were thousands of people on the beaches in small local beaches and when they started leaving around 6 pm, we would descend on the beaches to scour the sands for lost stuff dropped THAT day....
I can't say we got gold EVERY day but in the summer we averaged 2-3 gold rings a week, and gold chains or charms at least monthly...
and of course a LOT of money..

(There were so many people in a small area that at high tide you could almost not walk from the dry sand to the wet sand there were so many people ....)
 

Also cell phones. Many people go to the beach and spend a lot more time posting selfies on facebook than they actually spend swimming.
 

If you are an old guy that started metal detecting in the 1970s, Sand Swinger's post sounds very familiar. In 1977, I would come home with silver (pre-1964) half dollars, quarters and dimes after every hunt. In the 80s-90s gold and silver rings at the beach were a given. We are victims of our own success. Think about a $200 Minelab Vanquish. It eats the saltwater wet sand for breakfast. I remember paying over $1000 for my first SMF detector. On a positive note, new technology is allowing us to find things we missed in the 60s and 70s.
 

If you are an old guy that started metal detecting in the 1970s, Sand Swinger's post sounds very familiar. In 1977, I would come home with silver (pre-1964) half dollars, quarters and dimes after every hunt. In the 80s-90s gold and silver rings at the beach were a given. We are victims of our own success. Think about a $200 Minelab Vanquish. It eats the saltwater wet sand for breakfast. I remember paying over $1000 for my first SMF detector. On a positive note, new technology is allowing us to find things we missed in the 60s and 70s.

Totally agree Terry and count me in as one of those "old guys", started in 1967 with a Heathkit, shortly followed afterwards by a "hi-tech" White's Coinmaster IV, lol. Yeah, it wasn't long ago that SMF detectors cost a whole lot more than the majority of the SF VLF's, which is probably why I didn't see many Sovereigns or Excalibur's on the beach when hunting years ago.

But now, seems like every detector manufacturer has jumped on the Minelab SMF bandwagon and has, or is releasing SMF detectors, even Garrett is finally getting in on the act, lol. I never heard of Nokta or XP until recently when I jumped back into detecting. And damn, the X-Terra Pro is something like $269 or so, but even though it's SF, reports I’ve seen indicate that it seems to do well on wet sand due to being able to change frequencies. So, at those low prices, there's no longer a barrier to everyone having the opportunity to get state-of-the-art technology. Even today's "entry level" is far superior to the top-of-the-line detectors back in the 60's, 70's, 80's, etc.

Personally, since I currently have far superior detectors than what I used to use back in the day, I've been thinking about going back to my roots. Up until I got a “waterproof” AT Pro (mine apparently wasn’t, flooded the first time I submerged the control box, lol), and then the Sovereigns, I was a hard-core coinshooter and permissions were where it was at. I absolutely loved coinshooting old houses, farmsteads, churches, picnic groves, etc. Generally speaking, I've never been into relic hunting, pulling up rusted & corroded pieces of metal just doesn't do it for me, unless of course if those pieces of metal turn out to be miniballs, buttons, civil war buckles, lol.

But coins, yeah brother, coinshooting was my jam. I love seeing dates on my targets, and there's just something magical to me about pulling a coin out of the ground and being the first person in 125 or 150 years to touch it. Every time I found an old coin at a late 1800’s house, I’d stare at it and start thinking about who dropped it, what were they doing, what was life like for them back then. For me, it’s a different kind of “treasure”, that feeling of wonderment, and of course, old coins do have value, sometimes large value, but a coin's potential value wasn’t something that entered my mind.

For me, the thing that I thought about and that gave me the most excitement was that I was holding a piece of history in my hands, taking a few moments to think about what life was like back then, who the person was and what they were doing when they lost the coin. That was really my treasure and is what gave me the most thrill. And strangely, although I love finding silver coins and gold as much as the next guy, for some unexplainable reason, I have no idea why but finding late 1800’s Indian Head pennies has always made me feel like I just pulled a gold coin. There’s just something special about those Indian Head’s that just does it for me.

Here’s my prediction and how I see things playing out, at least for me:

I’ll still be hunting the beaches whenever I get the opportunity, that’s a given. I absolutely love beach hunting, the wife and I love chilling on the beach, catching some rays, looking for dolphins, so that won’t change for me. But what has changed is that we sold our beach house several years ago, so I no longer have easy access to the beaches every weekend that I used to have. Plus, IMHO, the beaches nowadays seem to be turning into the Wild Wild West. Everybody and their brother now have access to incredibly hi-tech detectors and there’s no barrier to entry at the beach. Anybody, anywhere, anytime, can stroll out onto the beaches with a state-of-the-art detector and try their luck. I can’t help but think that the beaches have been turning into a “free-for-all”, lol.

BUT all is not lost because going back to my roots, i.e., land hunting via permissions, that’s a whole nuther story & opportunity. Our chances of hitting virgin ground skyrocket compared to the beach. And even if the land had been previously pounded by detectorists swinging BFO’s, TR’s, or SF VLF’s, I’d still consider that land to potentially be virgin ground since I’ll be swinging my Sovereign Elite and X-Terra Elite, going for the deep stuff that was out of range for the previous technology. About 10 years ago, there was a guy on the forums I used to chat with named CritterHunter. He swung a Sovereign GT and was consistently posting about finding Mercury dimes between 10”-15” deep. Mercury dimes just seemed to wait for him to find them, and I’m sure there are some Indian Head pennies out there with my name on them, lol.

And here’s an added bonus for the dedicated & determined detectorist; hunting private land via permissions carries a MUCH greater barrier of entry. Some of the old places I received permission to hunt years ago had never been graced by the coil of a detector, so I was the first man out. It’s not like 8 or 10 other detectorists can just wonder up on someone’s private property to hunt like they can on the beach, unless they don’t mind getting arrested, so getting permissions to hunt old land gives us a much more “exclusive” opportunity to hunt for old targets, without any competition looming over our shoulders. Of course, getting permissions takes work and ya have to be able to handle potential rejection, so not everyone who swings a coil would have the dedication, determination, and willingness to do what it takes to get permission to hunt old & private land. But that’s OK with me, even less competition, lol.

And in your last sentence, you made a very prophetic point that I think is key; that “new technology is allowing us to find things we missed in the 60’s and 70’s”. I think going back to hunt old land that we previously hunted with BFO’s, TR’s, SF VLF’s, might wind up being the “new frontier”, i.e., what was once old, is now new.

A few years after I separated from the Air Force, I got married, got a house, had kids, and picked up a Fisher 1220X, which was fairly hi-tech at the time. My next door neighbor’s parents lived about 12 miles away, and back around the turn of the century, there were train tracks on their land in front of their house. And, it just so happens that in front of their house was a small train station platform, so trains would stop, people would board & disembark the train, and they would pay right there on the platform to get a train ticket. Back then, they could buy a ticket for less than $1, so they used coins, no bills necessary, lol.

So, through my neighbor, I was able to get permission to hunt her parent’s land where the train tracks and platform used to be. Keep in mind that I was using a mid-range (at the time) SF VLF Fisher 1220X, but in one area, I hit a good size drop that had about ½ dozen or so coins. In this one small section, I kept pulling up Indian Head pennies (my personal favorites), V Nickels, and some silver if I recall. Somebody must have reached into their pocket to pull out some coins to buy a train ticket and a bunch of coins came flying out, as all the coins I found were all together in the same hole. I can still remember my heart pounding as I kept checking the hole and there were more and more targets left to be recovered.

If I can find my previous neighbor, and if her parents are still alive and still own that property, I’d love to go back there with my Sov and X-Terra. If I recall, I think those coins were about 6” or so deep, but since all of the coins were clustered together in the same hole, they would have presented a much larger target signature for the 1220X. I don’t remember finding any individual coins with the 1220X, just that large drop, but I’m sure there had to be a lot more coins in that same vicinity. They were probably deeper and/or individually would have been out of the range of the 1220X.

But I’m sure my SMF Sov & X-Terra would eat that ground up, and I’d probably stand a very good chance at finding some deep individual coins/targets. I think the X-Terra Elite would be my go-to for coinshooting the old properties, since it has target ID, VDI, and all the other cool digital doodads that I don’t have on my Sovereign.
 

Maybe it’s a multitude of things! price of gold…. precious metals up times are tough fake jewelry looks great but maybe corrodes out quicker in the saltwater. Metal detectors are smarter and so many more hunters out working the beaches. Even rising tides with warmer weather means the beaches are now 100 yards out to sea but I still think people will wear jewelry to the beach and lose it whether it’s real or fake. positive vibes and thinking outside the jewelry box. May we all get our share!HH!
And don’t mention the coins, pennies are obsolete soon to be melt.
 

Well another thought is the fact that a lot of stuff gets picked up faster than it can be lost..
basically on a good day I could find the losses of 20 people, it's not being dropped fast enough to bring stuff back to the levels of the 70s and 80s
 

And don’t mention the coins, pennies are obsolete soon to be melt.
Yeah, there's also that. Of course, I wouldn't mind one bit if I never had to dig another corroded Zincoln, but if we then move to getting rid of nickels, then dimes, then quarters, etc. At some point, we'd have to go back to hunting on land to have an opportunity to find any coins.

There's a detectorist in the UK on YouTube I follow named Paul Cee who has a beach that he just pounds day after day. I mean if you watch his videos, I think you'll see that he's hunting the same beach over and over and over, because you'll see the same landmarks behind him.

But the friggin' incredible difference with his beach is that when his tide goes out, it just doesn't go out a little bit, it's totally gone, and water is nowhere to be found. So, he's detecting in sand that's usually under water. He constantly pulls coins from that same beach, over and over, and the coins he finds are old, usually either 19th century or early 20th century, and they're typically pretty large. I'd love to find some of those coins he pulls, they're gorgeous.

But I still can't get over how he keeps finding coin after coin on the same doggone beach, lol. Here's his YouTube channel, check some of his videos out and you'll see what I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/@paulcee/videos
 

Well another thought is the fact that a lot of stuff gets picked up faster than it can be lost..
basically on a good day I could find the losses of 20 people, it's not being dropped fast enough to bring stuff back to the levels of the 70s and 80s
Yep, I think it's a multitude of things all converging together at this point in time to create a "perfect storm". As crazy as it may sound, there have been times on the beach where I was praying for a signal, any signal. Hell, I'll dig a pull tab, let me just hear my Sov sound off, lol.

Well, at least we're all helping to keep the beaches clean. I wonder if we'll get to a point where the guys who run the beach cleaning machines will fear for their jobs, because the detectorists are clearing the beaches out of any metal and other trash, and their machines wind up empty. That would be ironic.
 

Ok guys, I don't detect but I do live in Florida a couple blocks off the beach. I think down here in Florida a lot of your targets are getting buried very deep by all the beach "renourishment" constantly going on here. It's a money grab being fueled by the millionaire's who live on the beach. They have figured out how to get the State to fill their beaches with sand at the taxpayers expense.
 

Ok guys, I don't detect but I do live in Florida a couple blocks off the beach. I think down here in Florida a lot of your targets are getting buried very deep by all the beach "renourishment" constantly going on here. It's a money grab being fueled by the millionaire's who live on the beach. They have figured out how to get the State to fill their beaches with sand at the taxpayers expense.
Yeah, that goes on at all the beaches I've hunted as well. They typically have a barge offshore that pumps sand from the ocean bottom and pipes it up to the beach, where they'll spread it out and move around as needed. That of course makes any targets in the dry sand deeper and potentially out of reach. But that usually doesn't affect us who hunt in the wet sand & in the water, as the water coming in & going out from tide changes will remove or deposit sand as mother nature sees fit.

But we just never know. There's always a chance that the barge offshore might be sitting on top an old shipwreck and might wind up pumping a bit of treasure up to the dry. I know of at least 1 time that may have happened. I hunt the beaches in DE & MD, and there's a treasure museum down there that's loaded with silver, gold, and all kinds of treasure the museum's owner found. I was chatting with him one day and he told me about this lady, a total novice, who rented a detector from him to try her luck. She was hunting dry sand in Ocean City and found several very old Spanish gold coins buried in the same area. She brought them to him to take a look and he valued each of those coins at around $17K, so definitely a case of beginner's luck and being in the right place at the right time, lol.

But IMO, I can only think of 2 potential ways those coins got up into the dry sand. There are some known shipwrecks offshore in the area she was hunting. I think those coins were either deposited up there by a hurricane or storm that frequently comes up the coast. Or there's a possibility that during a beach replenishment project, one of the sand barges might have been positioned over one of those wrecks and wound up pumping the coins along with the sand up onto the beach.
 

Over the past 50 years...restrictions on alcohol, cell phones, video arcades, water parks, air conditioning, water testing leading to closed areas, seaweed, increased parking fees ($35/day), more regulations on water toys, ball toss, and horsing around in general OH YES, sharks and jellyfish - each has taken its toll on our hobby.
 

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