Red Paint People (Transatlantic)

[uniface]

https://www.science-frontiers.com/sf073/sf073a01.htm

 

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[newnan man]

We know very little in the scheme of things. It is worth noting the oceans were lower in those times. There is a youtube video that shows a trawler 20 miles off the Virginia coast dragging up mammoth bones with Soltrean blades with them. There are Paleo campsites discovered in 40 ft of water off St. Pete Fl. That would be appx. 30 miles offshore.

 

[Charl]

There was a time when the notion of a Circumpolar culture was hypothesized, to explain similarities in material culture, and shamanistic practices, across the polar regions of the world. This film promoted the notion of possible contact to explain those similarities in material culture.



I grabbed some screen shots from this film awhile ago...

Burial with ochre smeared grave goods, Taunton River, Ma:



Found with the above burial:



Gouges from Maine:



Gouges from Norway:



Bone comb, Newfoundland:



Bone comb, Norway:



Ground slate points, Norway:

 

[releventchair]

Geneticists should be tossed in the mix too.

Slightly off topic but perhaps related outside of red paint is a recent article in the Smithsonian magazine.
A couple take aways (for me anyways) was that in some areas glacial retreat let the ground below it rise. And that the possibility of people following shorelines due to aquatic resources/diets was doable. With watercraft being a bonus ,despite lack of supporting relics.
Farther towards Asian regions ,watercraft were in use long enough ago to have expanded with human range....

Geneticists have conflicts as much as any group , but the article mentions a slowing or stalling of a culture in an area previously thought to be more of a passing through route.
And , habitations farther North hint of dispute among glacial periods being the dominating factor in human dispersal.

IF red ochre in distant regions/countries has common ties , genetics should confirm. ?

 

[uniface]

IF red ochre in distant regions/countries has common ties , genetics should confirm. ?

Skull morphology does -- and unequivocably.

DNA runs into two snags -- suppressed evidence (Windover Bog, for example) and highly selective weighting/interpretation of evidence. And so long as findings continue to be dictated by political-financial cartels, not much is likely to change any time soon.

Charl -- BEAUTIFUL stuff !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Charl]

Geneticists should be tossed in the mix too.

Slightly off topic but perhaps related outside of red paint is a recent article in the Smithsonian magazine.
A couple take aways (for me anyways) was that in some areas glacial retreat let the ground below it rise. And that the possibility of people following shorelines due to aquatic resources/diets was doable. With watercraft being a bonus ,despite lack of supporting relics.
Farther towards Asian regions ,watercraft were in use long enough ago to have expanded with human range....

Geneticists have conflicts as much as any group , but the article mentions a slowing or stalling of a culture in an area previously thought to be more of a passing through route.
And , habitations farther North hint of dispute among glacial periods being the dominating factor in human dispersal.

IF red ochre in distant regions/countries has common ties , genetics should confirm. ?

Yes, I remember that article. I think someone may have started a thread about it at the time:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-humans-came-to-americas-180973739/

And another great article describing the so-called Beringian Standstill:

https://www.hakaimagazine.com/features/sunken-bridge-size-continent/