Real or fake cob ?

[Who's the boss]

Hello, I write you from France.

I have bought this coin on Ebay there is one week.
The weight is 6.75 grams.The size is around 2.5 centimeters.
Do you think it's real or fake cob, because I'm not sure about.
More over, could you let me know when this cob was product(maybe a king or a year)
Think you so much

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

You need to re take and re post the first pic ( blurry)

 

[divewrecks]

I posted a guess, but retracted it after second thoughts. I think this coin may have been struck in Spain. Madrid? A better pic of the one blurry side would be helpful.

Stan

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Could it be a Mexican 2 reale?

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

Looks like a Greek cross, Better picture would help. Stan looks to have it right ( Madrid )
my reference, Standard catalog of world coins has Assayer G unknown ! 1620 Madrid. Philip III ?
The position of the assayer and denomination are back to front, could be rare?
Ossy

 

[divewrecks]

Could it be a Mexican 2 reale?

That was my original speculation, but I have not been able to match it yet. I am expecting a book any day that only covers 2 reale coins. That should answer it. Also a better picture of the one side will help my poor eyes read the legend remnants.

Stan

 

[Trez]

Keep looking Stan...it isn't Mexico...it was minted in Spain as Stan stated...
You guys find out where

Trez

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

thanks Trez, I looked at bit harder: Minted Granada assayer M, Sunny Spain
Ossy

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

But is it real?

 

[Who's the boss]

Hello everybody,

First of all, many thanks for your replies.
Tomorrow morning, I will post a new picture of the cob but of much better quality.
Please could you estimate the value of the cob. Do you really think it is real one and note a fake one.

 

[Who's the boss]

I post you a picture of better quality, I hope so !!!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

First glance it looks funky to me Jerome, but I am NOT an expert. I hope Im wrong. I have much to learn. Maybe the mainland minted coins are different.

I rotated it for you. Im curious to see what the others think.

Can we see some pics of the edge?

 

[Who's the boss]

Hello

I give you two picures of the edge.

 

[cuzcosquirrel]

The unusualness of this coin is first in its die cut. It has some weak or odd areas on both sides that don't match colonial cobs.

The second area is its legends. It looks like it has "ARONORVM" in one area. This does not match up with with any known colonial coin legend.

It also has the mint marks and value reversed next to the sheild. The sheild appears to be a Hapsburg Phillip 2 type shield, but it is very crudely done, as the birds I think are completely missing from Tyrol.

It could be a penninsular or state coin, maybe a vellon/billion issue. Most of these issues were round though, but did intermix with other types of coins a lot, especially in the mid-late 1500's.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The unusualness of this coin is first in its die cut. It has some weak or odd areas on both sides that don't match colonial cobs.

The second area is its legends. It looks like it has "ARONORVM" in one area. This does not match up with with any known colonial coin legend.

It also has the mint marks and value reversed next to the sheild. The sheild appears to be a Hapsburg Phillip 2 type shield, but it is very crudely done, as the birds I think are completely missing from Tyrol.

It could be a penninsular or state coin, maybe a vellon/billion issue. Most of these issues were round though, but did intermix with other types of coins a lot, especially in the mid-late 1500's.

I think this coin was supposedly minted in Spain and not intended to be used in the colonies. Maybe that is why its different. I have seen reversed marks on mainland coins.

I agree the coin has some issues. Maybe it has been clipped.
One thing I look for in cast fakes is to see if the 2 castles are alike. In this case they appear to be exactly alike. While the lions look a little different and the shield is crude, I just dont know.

 

[divewrecks]

OK, what do you guys think about this one?....

http://cgi.ebay.com/Very-Old-Coin-Dated-1741-nice-clean-Scan-You-Identify_W0QQitemZ130324945362

Stan

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

OK, what do you guys think about this one?....

http://cgi.ebay.com/Very-Old-Coin-Dated-1741-nice-clean-Scan-You-Identify_W0QQitemZ130324945362

Stan

Thats a known replica.