Real or Fake 8 Reales Con

[Vicar]

Hi All

I wonder if anyone can help me with the attached photos. Whilst I know a lot about British coins and in particular sovereigns, I know nothing about Cobs.

If anyone has the time to look at the below photos can you advise if the attached Cob is real or fake?

All the best
Vicar

 

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[smokeythecat]

I like it. I am NOT the one to ask but looks like an 8 reale, and maybe 1667. Other who know better should chime in soon. Welcome.

 

[Diver_Down]

First knee jerk reaction is that it is real. I will chime in with details, but I want to see photos of it outside of the airtite capsule. It has been repaired with a hole filled in. Photos - front/back/edge. What is the weight? The only reason why I'm asking for more info is there is reason to pause in confirming the piece. Antonio Ergueta pieces are often collected/studied. But they are also faked from a cast of a real one.

Second knee jerk reaction after looking at the full screen photos is that it is cast.

Let's hold off until we can see photos independent of the glare created by the airtite.

 

[ARC]

I would upon looking at the pictures say real.

If possible... can you remove from plastic and weigh it... this will solidify an opinion as to one way or another.

 

[Vicar]

Additional info...

Hi All

Thanks for the replies so far.

Whilst I don't have my super accurate scales to hand, I have ones that indicate it weighs 22g.

Also photos of of the coin out of the case.

Best
Tim

 

[Mackaydon]

The light weight doesn't bother me after seeing the excessive physical depreciation and the possibility the coin was slightly clipped post production. The patched hole also adds to my initial belief the coin is real. Assuming the coin is real, I still wouldn't buy it since, in that condition, I cannot envision much appreciation in the future.
Don.....

 

[XtreasureX]

Let’s see the third side photos.

 

[Vicar]

And here are photos of the side....

Thanks
Vicar

 

[ARC]

The light weight doesn't bother me after seeing the excessive physical depreciation and the possibility the coin was slightly clipped post production. The patched hole also adds to my initial belief the coin is real. Assuming the coin is real, I still wouldn't buy it since, in that condition, I cannot envision much appreciation in the future.
Don.....

Although I agree... I also must point out something concerning the "appreciation" aspect...

I for one believe these coins of all types will always appreciate due to the "in the future" lack of availability of them which has already been in slowly declining status over time.

Wreck treasure salvage as a whole is a threatened species of work... And the publics ability to "purchase" finds from wrecks will be diminished over time IMO ... even though new wrecks are discovered with currency aboard... less and less is making it to the mainstream marketplace for public sales overall.

Take the Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes for example... with over 600,000 gold and silver coins weighing 17 metric tons in total recovered... not one for sale... as of yet.

 

[ARC]

Oh... and as far as your coin is concerned... It's real... IMO of course.

 

[Vicar]

Many thanks for all of your considered opinions - much appreciated.

Should anyone need advise on British Coinage please do get in touch.

Best
Tim

 

[Mackaydon]

Vicar,
A belated "Welcome to treasurenet !!"
The coin's edge looks good to me.
Don.......

 

[Vicar]

Vicar,
A belated "Welcome to treasurenet !!"
The coin's edge looks good to me.
Don.......

Many thanks Don!

 

[Diver_Down]

I'm a little late after my first response as I was out and about. Don and AARC have already allayed any concerns regarding the legitimacy. My initial knee-jerk opinion was that it was real, but when looking at the enlarged initial photos, it was a matter of analysis paralysis. The enlarged full-sized photos were so large that it exposed every nook/cranny and if you analyze these pieces in such detail, you will convince yourself of flaws. That being said, the piece is legitimate and the weight is good enough as explained by Don. With the repair and the current market having ample supply of Ergueta pieces, yours is a piece that I personally would avoid.

Do you have any provenance with the piece? How was it acquired?

 

[Vicar]

Interestingly it was acquired by a friend who bought a collection of coins in Bermuda. The other coins were all genuine (English gold sovereigns and Guineas that were collected by the former owner when he liked in the UK)

The coin pictured was believed to have come from the Wabasso beach (interestingly high up in the dunes) from a metal detecting trip in the very late 1960’s / early 1970’s having been found by the owner of the collection.

 

[Diver_Down]

Interestingly it was acquired by a friend who bought a collection of coins in Bermuda. The other coins were all genuine (English gold sovereigns and Guineas that were collected by the former owner when he liked in the UK)

The coin pictured was believed to have come from the Wabasso beach (interestingly high up in the dunes) from a metal detecting trip in the very late 1960’s / early 1970’s having been found by the owner of the collection.

Who did the repair? While the Wabasso area is best known for the 1715 fleet, there are many wrecks that have foundered along that stretch of coast. The piece that you have is not 1715 fleet material.

 

[A2coins]

Doesn't say copy on the side looks reale lol I would be on fire if I found one and it was fake then I'd lite the person on fire who made it lol nice find hope she's authentic

 

[Real of Tayopa]

I was about to suggest Don Mackaydon, but I see that he has joined