prob. a fake coin.. what do you think

[fd3615]

hey there.. i got to spend a few hours hunting this morning.. i went to a field behind a church.. this is in a coastal town of ca for reference.

i found this coin.. came out of the ground clean - and sounds like silver.. looks fake to me.. anyone know anything more to tell me... either way a neat find..

found only 4 inches or so deep... other items at 4 inches dated late 1800's ill post more when cleaned up

ps the side of the coin looks like it was in a mold.. do the real ones look like this?

 

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[DANGLANGLEY]

I can't say if it is real but I LIKE IT!!!!!...Cool find.

 

[dugupfinds]

Its a copy. Believe me I find enough real ones to know.

Its a copy of Elizabeth I - 1570s Sixpence (if 25mm ish)

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,57088.0.html

If real it would be mint marked on both sides. Also being hammered it would have no mould marks on the edge. It looks pewter?

 

[lionhrt9]

Its a copy. Believe me I find enough real one to know.

im thinkin so also the stiching and all. Could still be silver!!!!!!!! Heck some fakes are sold at a good penny!!!

nice pics

 

[mercenary]

These look remarkably similar, but some of the detail is different
http://www.lotn.org/~calkinsc/coins/000032.html

 

[xd]

real or not really cool find

 

[Functional]

Can you weigh it? I'm wondering if its TWO coins stuck together? I wouldn't try to pry it apart though. At least not until you get some idea on whether or not it really is two coins, or one.

Looks like its mid-16th century English. Maybe you have two shillings? Can't say about fake or not without more info.

F.

 

[dugupfinds]

Can you weigh it? I'm wondering if its TWO coins stuck together? I wouldn't try to pry it apart though. At least not until you get some idea on whether or not it really is two coins, or one.

Looks like its mid-16th century English. Maybe you have two shillings? Can't say about fake or not without more info.

F.

I can its 100% fake/copy. I noticed its crudely copied with enough obivious differences to be a semi-legal copy. It should really have been marked as such.

 

[Getty]

Copy or not its a great find! Id love to dig that.Congrats fd!!HH

 

[Functional]

After reading the inscriptions it becomes more obvious as a fake, or at least a very very bad typo.

ELIZABET D G ANG FRA ET REGINA , instead of:
ELIZABETH D G ANG FRA ET REGINA (which was only on the Elizabeth I Gold Angel)

And:
POSUI DEUM ADIV MEUM , instead of:
POSUI DEUM ADIVTOREM MEUM

I Googled and found one other guy that had one over a year ago. He was trying to find out the meaning of the inscriptions on the coin he had in this latin forum:
http://community.livejournal.com/linguaphiles/tag/latin

Oh well. It could still make some money on eBay, or make a good key fob. Would help the value if really is silver.

F.

 

[fd3615]

i appreciate all the posts.. thank you.. i knew it couldnt be real.. the wear didnt look right.. and the side of the coin just makes it look like it was cast..

i still like the find... i hope to find more at this site.. and others in the area..

you guys are amazing at research and have yet to dissapoint me....

it sounds like silver as compared to others... but not sure... what else wouldnt corrode... aluminum? too heavy i think... could be an alloy of some type...

thanks all

 

[cheese]

I've got one very similar in appearance, and I believe it's pewter. I bet that was one exciting dig, if only for a second or two!

 

[Montana Jim]

Its a copy. Believe me I find enough real ones to know.

Its a copy of Elizabeth I - 1570s Sixpence (if 25mm ish)

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,57088.0.html

If real it would be mint marked on both sides. Also being hammered it would have no mould marks on the edge. It looks pewter?

Great ID dugfinds...

 

[BIG61AL]

Fate ... sometimes it just cruel ... teasing you with a fake coin.
Sorry.

 

[Natman]

Too bad it's not authentic..I bet your heart skipped a beat when you dug that up!

Nat

 

[mumszie]

Who cares! It's like an old Spanish coin I found a couple of months ago. Come to find out it was fake but it doesn't matter to me. I like it and I like yours too! WTG!

 

[garbage digger]

I bought my a treasure chest full of those coins from a science museum. They have been making a lot of those lately. There is a new trend of pitrateology among the young. Either way it's sure funner to find than clad.

 

[Functional]

i appreciate all the posts.. thank you.. i knew it couldnt be real.. the wear didnt look right.. and the side of the coin just makes it look like it was cast..

i still like the find... i hope to find more at this site.. and others in the area..

you guys are amazing at research and have yet to dissapoint me....

it sounds like silver as compared to others... but not sure... what else wouldnt corrode... aluminum? too heavy i think... could be an alloy of some type...

thanks all

I thought I'd address your question about cleaning that, even though I'm not a pro at it. But since its not real, it doesn't harm the value. I don't know for certain if it is silver, but I'm thinking it was intended to be gold plated and passed off as the "Gold Angel" coin, which would have made it much more valuable and would have justified the cost of the silver.

Since cleaning is normally based on the material to be cleaned, I'd suggest the cheapest cleaner of all. Use baking soda as described on this page:
http://gometaldetecting.com/cleaning-finds.html

If that doesn't work, then it might not be silver, or the silver content in the alloy might be so low, that it doesn't have any effect. There are no shortage of techniques for cleaning, including electrolysis, as seen on this page:
http://gometaldetecting.com/electrolysis_cleaning.htm

If nothing else, you might want to gold plate it? Doesn't take much gold to do one coin and as long as you have no intention of passing it off as something its not, I don't think it would be a problem, (especially considering the obvious status of the coin). Would make for a nice pendant if it was made more round and the "split" that makes it look like two coins was made to disappear. Just a thought.

Let us know how it turns out.

F.

F.

 

[chong2]

u never kno, i kiddo coulda had his g parents keep sakes, given or stolen and dropped while having fun...... i know i got into my parents stuff when i was wee'er

 

[MonkeyBoy]

Hello All..

Is it a fake or counterfit? To me there is a difference.. A "faked" coin is a somewhat modern copy someone is trying to pass as the real deal.. say to a collector.. but a counterfeit coin is one that was made during the same period, or sometimes a little later, to pass of in circulation as the real coin... I have a bunch of counterfeit early coppers I have dug.. that are usually really thin.. with weak and usually off center strikes.. that were made that way.. some of them are really.. really bad copies.. I will get some pictures and post them... but my point is... counterfeit coins, to me, are just as good of a find as the real coin.... sometimes even better! Thinking about some small town blacksmith somewhere... crudely carving the dies... collecting the worn coins out of circulation to restrike.. knowing he would be hung if he was caught.. literally.. his coins "turning up like a bad penny"..

As for this coin... it looks "faked" the seams on the edge... you could do a couple of test... a simple weight test and a specific gravity test and compare the results to the original.. Google searching should give you the range of numbers for the original.. look for old Auction catalogs, etc...

MonkeyBoy