Possible Indian Tinkle Cone...??

[EReed]

Any help with an ID on the cone is appreciated! Believe it's made of copper, and the little cap type thing was still lodged in the large end of the cone when I dug it. There's circular incribed ridges inside the smaller end of the cone, almost look like it's threaded on that end, but they don't look like they spiral. Based on research I've done, I've got a sneaking suspicion it MAY be an indian tinkle cone. Haven't found a site/picture that shows a tinkle with a cap on the dangling end (thus making it not tinkle as loudly), but maybe it was made with the cap to be more ornate? Or...maybe it's not a tinkle cone at all..?? The site has significant indian history, colonial, Rev, War of 1812, Civ, you name it. Thus the boot heel plate also found the same day about 50 yards from the cone.

 

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[jewelerguy]

looks too big for a tinkler in my opinion. looks more like a spout from something

 

[EReed]

Will measure tonight...

I gotcha. Do you think it would have the little cap on the large opening end, and grooves on the inside of the small end, as a spout. I think it's only about 3in long...the heel plate is pretty small, so may be a little deceiving.

 

[jewelerguy]

I gotcha. Do you think it would have the little cap on the large opening end, and grooves on the inside of the small end, as a spout. I think it's only about 3in long...the heel plate is pretty small, so may be a little deceiving.

I dunno. Of course, I'm only seeing a one dimensional picture. What I see reminds me more of a spout from a powder horn/flask.

 

[EReed]

Here's four more close up pictures. I cleaned it up more also. You can now see three double sets of lines that go around the tube, one at each end, and one about 2/3 the way up from the narrow end. Looks like the ridges on the inside of the narrow end only go in about 1/4in into the tube.

 

[EReed]

Oh, it's also 2 1/2 inches long.

 

[Ripcon]

Definitely not a tinkler, especially with the threads exposed inside the cone.

 

[jewelerguy]

looking at the new pics, aside from the threaded inside, it resembles a Burnside cartridge

 

[fyrffytr1]

What is the plug made of?

 

[EReed]

Brass or Copper...can't tell for sure. I thought copper at first, based on coloring, but not sure. Is there a way to more definitively tell?

 

[EReed]

Hmmm, it sure does! Did any of the Burnside variants possibly have a screw-in primer?

 

[DCMatt]

Maybe?

 

[EReed]

Thanks! Interesting. Could be a handle! I've never found something so elusive to ID before!

 

[huntsman53]

It somewhat resembles some of the Easy (Speed) Loaders made for muzzeloading rifles which are made to contain the bullet and powder. I doubt that it is an early version of one but I guess it is possible!


Frank

 

[nhbenz]

Swagger stick handle?

 

[EReed]

The general shape would fit, but it's only 2.5in long, and doesn't seem too be thick/durable enough to be used as a handle of that type. Was thinking now that maybe it's one leg of something, like something on a tripod? Have zero idea...

 

[EReed]

Could this be one leg of an item, like of a tripod-type item? I wonder if the plug/piece that fits in the larger end is the "foot"...with the way it's worn on the outside, and then the smaller possibly threaded end screwed onto whatever item it was...?

 

[RGINN]

Doesn't resemble any tinklers made by Southern Plains tribes in the historic period. These days, they use lids of Copenhagen cans to make tinklers.