Possible counterfeit five dollar gold coin? Input needed please

[juju]

Howdy all,
Decided to give the jewelry hunting a break for a day, and do some old coin hunting. First keeper was the 1944 S war nickel. Any silver counts in my book. I was lucky to get this one since I have hunted this place to death. After this I spent an hour not getting any tones and decided to move on. I headed to the site that gave up the 1897 mechanical dollar earlier this year. The only keeper was this coin. I at first thought it was a token and was stoked. Upon a little cleaning I noticed the image was incuse, and backwards. It appears that someone tried to make a counterfeit five dollar gold coin. I figure the folks here can help me sort it out. Not sure if these fakes have a value, but it will look cool in the book. Thanks for lookin and luck in the hunt.

JuJu

 

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[spartacus53]

Re: Possible counterfeit five dollar coin?

WTG nice finds.

 

[juju]

Re: Possible counterfeit five dollar coin?

WTG nice finds.

Thanks Spartacus53. Definately a unique addition to the book.

JuJu

 

[allen]

Re: Possible counterfeit five dollar gold coin?

good job on that neat find !!

 

[juju]

Re: Possible counterfeit five dollar gold coin?

good job on that neat find !!

Thanks Allen.

JuJu

 

[Tank69]

cool find Bro

 

[texan connection]

tag

 

[BuckleBoy]

I think it is most likely a die used to strike counterfeit coins years ago. VERY cool find!

 

[CRUSADER]

I think it is most likely a die used to strike counterfeit coins years ago. VERY cool find!

That's what it seems like but it doesn't seem strong enough for a die, & a little odd for a mould piece.

If it were a counterfeiters die then this would be a very rare discovery, not only worthy of the banner, but worthy of expert study. Not sure how many have turned up in the US, but I know of none in the UK.

 

[juju]

I think it is most likely a die used to strike counterfeit coins years ago. VERY cool find!

That's what it seems like but it doesn't seem strong enough for a die, & a little odd for a mould piece.

If it were a counterfeiters die then this would be a very rare discovery, not only worthy of the banner, but worthy of expert study. Not sure how many have turned up in the US, but I know of none in the UK.

It does seem kinda odd that a die would be made of copper base. But ya never know I guess. Glad you guys think its as neat as I do. Thanks.

JuJu

 

[Evan/tn]

very unusual find juju
very nice indeed!!!

 

[juju]

very unusual find juju
very nice indeed!!!

Thanks Evan

JuJu

 

[mlayers]

nice intesting find. A great addition to your collection.....MTT

 

[PBK]

What's the exact lettering on it? If you can see the word COMPOSITION or SPIELMARKE, then it's a mid 1800's game counter, a type of token used like poker chips or play money. Usually brass or gilt, many of these were made in Nuremberg, Germany, and very closely imitated the designs of U.S. gold coins in circulation at that time.

 

[garthbfan169]

Very kool juju. What a unique find!!

 

[juju]

What's the exact lettering on it? If you can see the word COMPOSITION or SPIELMARKE, then it's a mid 1800's game counter, a type of token used like poker chips or play money. Usually brass or gilt, many of these were made in Nuremberg, Germany, and very closely imitated the designs of U.S. gold coins in circulation at that time.

Although backwards I can clearly read the words " United Five D America"

JuJu

 

[jgas]

That is a cool find. Strange indeed, but someone will figure it out Ju...They always do on Tnet brother. Nice war nickle too....Congrats. jgas

 

[johnnyi]

Counterfeits were most often cast, not struck, and they were also often cast of cheap metal with low melting points such as lead or pewter and then plated where a brass die could be servicable. This very well could be a counterfeiter's die.

 

[silvercop]

 

[Detectingfreak]

Very nice finds JuJu!