✅ SOLVED Please help identify hallmark on snuff box

[Smallcannonhunter]

Hello,
Does anyone know what kind of hallmark is in the attached picture? The hallmark is located on the line of a small oval shaped snuff box. I have been unsuccessful in finding any information.
Thank you

 

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[Molewacker]

Looks like a ships wheel or compass - interesting!

 

[Smallcannonhunter]

Thank you. The ships wheel and compass was not listed in any of the hallmark sites I visited. Does this mean it may be fake?
Thanks again

 

[CRUSADER]

Thank you. The ships wheel and compass was not listed in any of the hallmark sites I visited. Does this mean it may be fake?
Thanks again

nope

 

[Molewacker]

Perhaps a photo of the piece would help narrow a date range by the style - Edwardian vs Victorian vs Art Deco as a example. then you could concentrate on those hallmarks.

Good luck!

 

[Smallcannonhunter]

 

[Mackaydon]

Can't help with the ID, but I can welcome you to treasurenet !!
Don from SoCal.

 

[Smallcannonhunter]

More pics

 

[ARC]

Looks like Wadsworth mark.

Similar anyway.

 

[Plug N Play]

Family traces this spoon to 1890s ... Hallmark discussed, but not resolved, on this chat:

https://www.silver-collector.com/t/winners-spoon-hall-marks/10763

 

[tamrock]

Where's Red Coat? That guy's the data-man on marks and makers. I would have thought he'd have this one solved by now. Hopefully he didn't get bored with us, but maybe he's busy working on it right now.

 

[Red-Coat]

I'm here!... and would have responded if I recognised the mark. By the way I sometimes also don't bother looking for an answer if folks don't picture the item as well as the mark. Once we finally got a picture of the snuff box (which might also be a pill box) it didn't help much anyway because it's just a plain style.

Maybe I should respond more on items I don't recognise and at least say something, but I can't be much help on this one. Unfortunately the world of silver (and its substitutes) is full of unattributed marks. Unlike many such marks, this one isn't cropping up with any frequency on silver forums, can't be common, and I would assume is from a small maker who wasn't in business for an extensive time and has simply gone unrecorded. My guess is that it's from the late 1800s or early 1900s and might be American. It's certainly not British/Irish. If not American, then it would have to be from some part of the world which had an equally poorly regulated silver marking system and has a history of using the Sterling standard. That rules out quite a lot of countries.

 

[CRUSADER]

I'm here!... and would have responded if I recognised the mark. By the way I sometimes also don't bother looking for an answer if folks don't picture the item as well as the mark. Once we finally got a picture of the snuff box (which might also be a pill box) it didn't help much anyway because it's just a plain style.

Maybe I should respond more on items I don't recognise and at least say something, but I can't be much help on this one. Unfortunately the world of silver (and its substitutes) is full of unattributed marks. Unlike many such marks, this one isn't cropping up with any frequency on silver forums, can't be common, and I would assume is from a small maker who wasn't in business for an extensive time and has simply gone unrecorded. My guess is that it's from the late 1800s or early 1900s and might be American. It's certainly not British/Irish. If not American, then it would have to be from some part of the world which had an equally poorly regulated silver marking system and has a history of using the Sterling standard. That rules out quite a lot of countries.

Had the same thoughts; plain pill box early 1900's. If I can't ID it off my head, I don't have time to google around, I have my own research to do, so my time only goes so far...
I don't think you should need to post on everyone stating your not sure...lol

 

[ARC]

Looks like Wadsworth mark.

Similar anyway.

So I am not sure if OP or anyone else chewed on the bone I threw out here...

But Wadsworth made watch cases... not sure if this is an early mark from them or even affiliated... but you can see here the resemblance.

Anyway... this is my stop... best of luck.

 

[ARC]

Ok I did a quick "Wadsworth sterling box" search... I know I said "this is my stop"... but... heh

I had a feeling ok... :P

I think it should be explored further... they did make multiple types of cigarette case and various boxes.

 

[Smallcannonhunter]

Thank you all for the great information. I definitely have something to chew on for a while. I going to look deeper into Wadsworth items.
Thanks again to all.

 

[Red-Coat]

So I am not sure if OP or anyone else chewed on the bone I threw out here...

But Wadsworth made watch cases... not sure if this is an early mark from them or even affiliated... but you can see here the resemblance.

Anyway... this is my stop... best of luck.

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Yes, that's certainly similar and perhaps within the possible variations of Wadsworth's 'Pilot' wheel trademark. As far as I know, they only registered the wheel trademark for "Class 27: Horological Instruments"... watch cases and movements etc. but that doesn't preclude the mark being used unregistered on other items.

Certainly they made ladies compacts as a 'sideline', and the construction of those (round ones) is really not that different from the way watch cases are constructed. They produced other shapes and fancy forms of compacts too, but I think not until the 1940s. I'm not aware of them making snuff boxes or pill boxes, but I suppose it's possible.

 

[Plug N Play]

Not sure why this is marked "solved". It seems to be as confusing as ever ?

Martin Mayer
Wheel of Maguntia
Wheel of Mainz

Martin Mayer had a variety of hallmarks, usually a 6 spoke wheel with a star. But 8 spoke wheels also appear.
Usually 800 silver, but also 925, 935. They made a large variety of small silver boxes.



Note that Martin Mayer started as early as 1838 ... before the standardization in Germany. 1884-1888
This might explain the variety of hallmarks used as it passed down through his sons?



https://www.antiquers.com/threads/martin-mayer-brooch-info-if-possible-please.13113/

Help needed identifying two hallmarks please - I Antique Online

 

[Red-Coat]

Not sure why this is marked "solved".

I would agree. I don't think the mark has been reliably identified and perhaps will continue to elude identification if it's from a small or short-lived maker.

 

[Smallcannonhunter]

Thank you Plug N Play. Martin Mayer does seems to be a very close match. I will continue to follow that path.