Peru gets into the act!

piratediver

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£254m battle of the Black Swan
> Dispute over sunken ship involves US firm, Spain and Peru, and raises
> British fears
> Sam Jones
> Monday March 24, 2008
> Guardian
> The crew of Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes must have thought their ship
> had fought its final battle on the morning of October 5 1804. A little
> after 10 o'clock, their seven-month voyage from Peru, via Uruguay, to
> almost within sight of the Iberian peninsula came to an end with the
> British broadside that sent the treasure-laden frigate and 200 souls to
> the bottom of the Atlantic and brought Spain into the Napoleonic wars.
> But after lying undisturbed on the seabed off Portugal for more than two
> centuries, the Mercedes is now at the centre of the biggest treasure
> grab in history.
> The battle for ownership of its £254m cargo of gold and silver coins,
> which has already pitted a US treasure-hunting company against the
> Spanish government, has been joined by a third party. An emotive
> campaign is welling up from within Peru to reclaim the treasures the
> conquistadores and their descendants took by force over the course of
> almost three centuries.
> Last May, the Florida-based Odyssey Marine Exploration announced that it
> had recovered 500,000 gold and silver coins weighing 17 tonnes from a
> wreck in international waters in the Atlantic and flown them back to the
> US from Gibraltar.
> The company has refused to speculate on the identity - or nationality -
> of the vessel and has further ratcheted up the intrigue by referring to
> the find only as the Black Swan.
> Despite the secrecy and Odyssey's unwillingness to confirm anything
> about its discovery, the Spanish government is convinced that the Black
> Swan is Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes.
> Spain is so sure of its claim to the ship's treasure that over the last
> six months it has dispatched gunboats to search one of Odyssey's salvage
> vessels in the Mediterranean and lawyers to Florida to fight its corner
> in the courts.
> After months of legal wrangling, Odyssey has agreed to reveal the
> wreck's location to Spain, hand over photographs and documents, and
> allow experts access to the artefacts it has recovered.
> Spain's case is simple enough: if Odyssey has found the Spanish ship,
> Madrid wants its cut. The treasure hunters, however, are confident that
> they will profit whatever happens.
> Natja Igney, Odyssey's head of corporate communications, said the
> company was expecting a number of claims, but added: "It is the opinion
> of our legal counsel that even if a claim is deemed to be legitimate by
> the courts, Odyssey should still receive title to a significant majority
> of the recovered goods."
> The Mercedes was one of a squadron of four Spanish frigates returning to
> Cádiz from what was then the vice royalty of Peru with a cargo of
> millions of gold and silver coins.
> The quartet was ambushed by a British squadron off Cape Santa María on
> the Portuguese coast and the Mercedes blown to pieces after a volley of
> shots ripped through the ship's magazine.
> The other three Spanish ships - the Fama, the Medea and the Santa Clara
> - were taken to Plymouth, relieved of their cargo and pressed into
> service as Royal Navy vessels. Two months later, Spain declared war on
> Great Britain.
> Since news of the find emerged last year, some Spanish newspapers have
> denounced treasure-hunting outfits as "the new pirates of this century"
> who are hell-bent on ransacking Spain's archaeological heritage for profit.
> But Madrid and Odyssey are now facing growing calls from Peru for some,
> or all, of the Mercedes' cargo to be returned to the South American
> country.
> Peruvian campaigners say that because the gold and silver coins were
> probably minted from metal taken without permission by the Spaniards,
> they belong to the modern-day country, not its former colonial master.
> Last year, Peru's production minister, Rafael Rey, said it was only
> "logical" that his country would seek the treasure's return.
> Blanca Alva Guerrero, director of the defence of cultural patrimony at
> Peru's National Institute of Culture, said: "If we can establish that
> some or all of the recovered artefacts came from Peru, we are ready to
> reclaim them as material remnants of our past."
> She added that Peru had a legal right to recover any items deemed part
> of its "cultural heritage".
> Mariana Mould de Pease, a Peruvian historian who has successfully
> campaigned to oblige Yale University to return hundreds of artefacts
> taken from the Inca citadel of Machu Picchu, said that although Spain
> had "acted duplicitously, and - where necessary - brutally" during the
> colonial period, she hoped a deal could be reached. "Given the
> historical ties between the two countries, I think Peru should join
> Spain in taking part in the scientific recovery of the ship's contents."
> She said that Italy's recent success in securing the return of Roman
> items from the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Getty Museum in the US
> had "already influenced countries such as Peru when it comes to taking
> legal action founded on cultural restitution".
> Spain, however, has so far dismissed the Peruvian claim, saying that the
> Mercedes was sailing under a Spanish flag and pointing out that Peru did
> not exist as a country in 1804.
> Odyssey, meanwhile, remains confident of its legal position - and a 90%
> share of the proceeds from the ship.
> "If Peru or any other country believes [it has] a claim," said Igney,
> "it is invited to file it."
> The company may be optimistic, but the international tug-of-war over the
> wreck has brought the issue of profit-making firms' involvement in
> historical salvage back to the surface.
> "There's a world of difference between the archaeological approach and
> the treasure-hunting approach," said Dr Peter Marsden, a marine
> archaeologist and the founder of the Shipwreck and Coastal Heritage
> Centre in Hastings. "What we don't know about Odyssey is what they are
> doing, because they are keeping things very close to their chests. But
> they are making their money from the sale of historical items that
> really should be in museums."
> Odyssey's secretive behaviour has raised concerns in the archaeological
> community about the deal the British government has signed with the
> company to salvage HMS Sussex, an English warship which sank in the
> western Mediterranean in 1694 while carrying a large cargo of gold coins.
> A spokeswoman for the Foreign and Commonwealth Office said it was
> confident that the contract required Odyssey to "respect the relevant
> international archaeological standards", adding: "We keep this under
> continual review."
> But as the first shots are fired in what could be a long legal battle
> for the cargo of the Mercedes, Marsden cannot help wondering whether the
> lustre of the treasure has blinded the world to the wreck's true value.
> "You have to remember that the ship was just carrying cargo from A to
> B," he says.
> "What was the purpose of the journey and of that money? What is its real
> story? The important thing is what it tells us about what was going on."
> guardian.co.uk (c) Guardian News and Media Limited 2008


Where will all this end?


Pirate Diver
 

piratediver said:
Where will all this end?

Worst case (for Odyessy) Spain gets maybe 10%.

Isn't that amazing how the press has already identified a centuries old rotting ship wreck under thousands of feet of water at an undisclosed location?
 

The problem with Spain's claim is that the wreck is not the Mercedes, it is the Merchant Royal. The problem with Peru's claim is that if they win, the American Indians can claim they want Manhattan back.
 

Well, technically, the Indians did trade Manhattan to the Dutch for some trinkets and beads.....it wasn't taken outright. :icon_pirat:
 

scubasalvor said:
The problem with Spain's claim is that the wreck is not the Mercedes, it is the Merchant Royal.
The Merchant Royal sank in 1641. Odyssey has already stated in court that the coins/artifacts came from a 19th century shipwreck.
 

mad4wrecks said:
Well, technically, the Indians did trade Manhattan to the Dutch for some trinkets and beads.....it wasn't taken outright. :icon_pirat:
Actually, the Indians who sold the Dutch Manhattan didn't even own it. They were from a different tribe. I bet if there'd been a bridge there, they'd have sold the Dutch that too! :D
 

the indains laughed their butts off at the white man --"own" land? what a crazy idea -- really it still is ---since in america the govt really owns the land --if you don't believe me try not paying your yearly govt rent (land taxes) and see how long you get to keep "your" land --- Ivan
 

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