Peg Legged could these be silver???

[Chagy]

Peg Legged, these were found in Treasure Coast, do you think it could be silver

Best,

Chagy.......

 

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[Angelo]

That medal to the right is sterling silver. Look on the back of it. More than likely a sports medal.

Tony

 

[PBK]

Chagy, I hope I'm dead wrong on this one, but those "silver nuggets" look a lot like blobs of melted aluminum-- the kind we all find around campgrounds and at the beach, where beer and soda cans get thrown into the fire. Pesky devils!

 

[Chagy]

Tony,

Are you lossing your mind thats the medal I posted in What is it? The DUCK!!!!..lol....

PBK,

Yes the smoth ones yes, but what about the crusty ones to the right??

Best,

Chagy......

 

[PBK]

PBK,

Yes the smoth ones yes, but what about the crusty ones to the right??

Best,

Chagy......

Yeah, probably those, too, unfortunately. Lots of times sand, dirt, etc. gets bonded to the surface of the aluminum, or else leaves granular impressions on it. Also, aluminum can sometimes oxidize fairly quickly in corrosive conditions (e.g., saltwater), resulting in more encrustation. If you've dug really old aluminum tokens, you know what I'm talking about.

 

[peg legged]

I have nio idea what is the first photo but the 2nd photo is what I collected from an AIS indian area.
It is SILVER.
I recovered them from a site I was checking out. The large center piece is silver mixed with cast iron. People forget that the Indains use to melt gold and silver in cast iron pots. But they did not know that iron and silver melt at near the same temp and after a while they will run together. I also have a silver bar that weights about 5 pounds and was still in an iron laddle when I found it. The smaller pieces are silver that I also recoverd from the charcoal burn pile. Every piece has been checked and some of the silver is high in silver content (96% AU).
I also recovered a round bisquit bar that was almost pure silver with a total weight of 5.65 pounds and assayed at 98% with a trace of gold. This was recovered west of Wabbso near the Indian River. For years I have been telling Beach Scanners to go West and check out the Indcan River and the St. Johns River. Do the research and find where the AIS indains camped and where their villages were located-YOU WILL FIND SOMETHING.
The indians were not dump. They would search the beaches after every storm and collect whatever they could carry. Cooking pots were their best finds. The3 silver and gold was for trinkets and nothing else that was until the Spanish showed up and made slaves of them then the Spanish taught them everything.
The silver shown was placed in a wooden box with green felt.
I visit the schools sometimes and talk and display some of the treasure I have recovered. Who knows there maybe another Mel Fisher in this group. I do not display any copies only the real thing. How else can they learn.
Hope you enjoy the photos.
Thanks
Per Leg

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

=CaptainZossima
The indians were not dump..by Peg aka
Need I say more?
CZ
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Duh pvt Capricorn? don get it?
Tropical Tramp

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I have nio idea what is the first photo but the 2nd photo is what I collected from an AIS indian area.
It is SILVER.
I recovered them from a site I was checking out. The large center piece is silver mixed with cast iron. People forget that the Indains use to melt gold and silver in cast iron pots. But they did not know that iron and silver melt at near the same temp and after a while they will run together.

Is the second pic yours or Chagy's.
Iron and silver melt the same temp. Is this true?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Silver 961 degrees Celsius iron 1535 degrees Celsius Doc
But I could be wrong

I thought so.
I get it now. The second pic is pegleg's, copyed by Chagy.

 

[99*]

Cans, aluminium, my father in law bugs the shi...t out of me and brings them home when on holiday, so far he has stockpiled a handful of old cans that are silver chunks, they all looked identical. Sooner than later youll find a coin, good luck 99*

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I have nio idea what is the first photo but the 2nd photo is what I collected from an AIS indian area.
It is SILVER...
...Do the research and find where the AIS indains camped and where their villages were located-YOU WILL FIND SOMETHING.
The indians were not dump. They would search the beaches after every storm and collect whatever they could carry. Cooking pots were their best finds. The3 silver and gold was for trinkets and nothing else that was until the Spanish showed up and made slaves of them then the Spanish taught them everything...
Per Leg

Thanks for the tip. We have had these same thoughts here on TN. The Ais or any Calusa Indian from the Treasure Beaches south thru the Fl. Keys, were never slaves of the Spanish. They were violent, well organized, and very able defenders of their land. The Spanish were never able to make a successful colony in Florida south of Saint Augustine. The Calusa, including the Ais succumbed to European old world diseases brought by Ponce de Leon and De Soto. When the Seminole Indians arrived from the north, the Calusa/Ais Indians were practically extinct. The hundred or so survivors were probably integrated into the Seminole Tribe, along with Spanish Indians and escaped Black slaves. Few Ais were ever captured.
I am reading your posts with interest, as they are very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
BCH

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

So BC ,when were the Calusa-Ais finished, in the mid 16th Century?

Doc

They were already succumbing to the diseases when the 1715 fleet disaster occured. They actually helped the Spanish survivors, who would have perished that summer. By helping them only hastened their demise. They were extint by the mid- 1700's.(16th century) you are correct. But the Ais tribe, governed by the Calusas, were a very organized capable warrior tribe. We don't know much about them. The best description coming from Jonathon Dickensens (spelling?)shipwreck diary, who somehow survived and walked to St. Augustine. I doubt many Ais were ever taken as slaves.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Here is a very interesting article about Calusa artifacts and interaction with the Spanish, in case anyone is interested.

Doc

http://www.gearoutside.com/magazine/1096/9610ot.html

Yes Doc. Very interesting. I posted that a whle back. We discussed that in Capptain Z,s "Indian Culture" in "beach and shallow water" I believe. The Ais had to pay tribute in gold and silver to the Calusa chief "Carlos" at the mouth of the Caloosahatchee River. Don't go diggin up those indan mounds looking for Spanish gold now!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Here is Captain Zossimas famous "Indian Culture" thread.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,23740.0.html
Truthfully I would like to see this remain buried in the back pages of TN, but I also believe in sharing. Lots of good info here. Enjoy.

 

[Chagy]

Hey BiggyC.

Buddy what is it that I need to test for silver and where can I buy that stuff I want to test those nuggets so that I can finally find out what are they.

Best,

Chagy........

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

=diving doc ]
I was wrong. it's 961.78 C for silver, sorry. I won't let it happen again.
Doc
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duh "YES SIR NO SIR, NO EXCUSE SIR"

Incidentally, for those that do not have coversion tables, or like me are just too lazy that is --

Fe = 2892 F
Au = 1945 F
Ag = 1761 f

I used cast iron quite often when assaying. Au & Ag.

Tropical Tramp

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

=Chagy
Hey BiggyC.
Buddy what is it that I need to test for silver and where can I buy that stuff I want to test those nuggets so that I can finally find out what are they.Best,
Chagy........
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HOLA MI Amigo Chagy: Nitric acid and table salt. Put apiece of the metal in some nitric acid, then after things have calmed down, sprinkle some table salt into the soloution. If a curdy deposit develops, you have silver.
(curdy looks like boiled egg white).

Tropical Tramp

Yes Sir Jose, I won't let it happen again until next time, no excuse Sir!

Here is a most comprehensive history history concerning the Spanish and the indians, well worth reading if you haven't already done so.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/Tekesta/history/part5.html

Doc

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

[diving doc
Yes Sir Jose, I won't let it happen again until next time, no excuse Sir!
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Ok, but remember that you are on probation.
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Here is a most comprehensive history history concerning the Spanish and the indians, well worth reading if you haven't already done so.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/Tekesta/history/part5.html
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Thank you mi buddy DOC, will spend some enjoyable time readig it.

Tropical Tramp

 

[Chagy]

Gracias estimado amigo Don Jose,

I will try it,


Chagy.......

 

[Chagy]

Yes Sir Jose, I won't let it happen again until next time, no excuse Sir!

Here is a most comprehensive history history concerning the Spanish and the indians, well worth reading if you haven't already done so.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/Tekesta/history/part5.html

Doc

Thanks Doc,

My kind of reading...

Best,

Chagy............