Paleo or Early Archaic?

[Th3rty7]

This is a recent addition to the collection. It's a knife / blade from Jessamine co. Ky., out of the old R. Thompson collection. I'm interested to hear what time period you think this piece is. The form imo is paleo, but the beveling on both sides seem to put into the early archaic. The material is also a tough call that I think is probably Carter Cave but possibly Haney. Thanks for looking and I appreciate any input or opinions. Happy Holidays and hunting.

 

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[RichPA]

That is a definite beauty. Nice addition is all I can say.

 

[Felinepeachy]

Gosh, I have no idea but it sure is pretty.

 

[Tnmountains]

Nice looking piece. A lot of secondary work on the edge of the knife would make me lean towards early archaic but I am no expert. It kind of reminds me of a cobb I have. You know better than me though. If it is Paleo I need to look over some of my blades. It is a beautiful piece. Maybe Matt knows Kentucky material.
Happy Holidays Thirty7 !

 

[flintdigger]

Nice knife it look's to me like it might be Archaic

 

[ohio]

Ryan, nice knife man!

 

[Flintfinder of Mo.]

Thats a tough one to call... Bad ask.....John

 

[catherine1]

Nice knife! That unit sure has a lot of edge work going on. I have no experience in this area, it looks very old to me. Cool Knife---They are my favorite artifact. Thanks for the picture.

 

[Th3rty7]

Appreciate the comments and opinions folks. I haven't seen many beveled paleo pieces that are bifaces but have seen a few. Maybe transitional is the best way to describe it? Tough call for sure. Thanks.

 

[pointdlr]

Thirty,
Having had this one in my hand, I think I should chime in. Your description of it corresponds exactly with my thoughts. I believe that the word Paleo should be somewhere in the description of the piece. The form just screams it. I know it shouldn't be beveled, but it is. Maybe Transitional Paleo is the right term.
I am more confident in the material being Carter rather than Haney. True Haney just doesn't have the high quality waxy nature of that piece. I am comfortable with the colors falling into the Carter range also.
Drop me a line,
Jon.

 

[creek astronaut]

nice lookin piece,i think its archaic.

 

[Miami-valley-artifacts]

I had a fairly long conversation with Dr. Gramley about beveling of paleo points/tools. His thoughts were, in a nut shell, that the paleo people did whatever they had to do to make a tool work and that means that some tools just fall outside of what we consider normal for the time period. I'm with you on this though, it doesn't make sense it looks just like archaic beveling. The reason I contacted Gramley is that I have an agate basin with the same sort of treatment. Nice piece by the way, I handeled that one for a while when it came in too, just a good conversation piece. Scott

heres my beveled agate basin, carter cave flint, found in Lawrence co. OH.

 

[Miami-valley-artifacts]

My vote is for Paleo, Just my opinion. Scott

 

[The Grim Reaper]

It sure has a Paleo look, but the beveling just screams Archaic. Maybe like Jon said, it's a transitional piece that transcended both cultures.

I have this black Knife I found just a while back that is similar in style and beveling. It doesn't show very well in the pictures but this piece is made of very high quality Zaleski Flint.

I know, the pictures suck. I need to start using my Nikon for the closeups and the Kodak just for in situs.

 

[choo]

Thats a nice knife looks like early archaic piece. you sure do run up on some nice stuff.

 

[Th3rty7]

Thanks everyone for weighing in with your opinions and comments I appreciate the help. I found some similar looking beveled knives in Hothem's " Paleo Indian Artifacts ". He calls them semi lunate and crescentic knives. Most of these have a beveled straight edge and an excurvate edge on the oppisite side. Not an exact match but some of the similarities are noteworthy. These are pictured throughout the paleo knives section for anyone interested. Thanks again and Happy Holidays everyone.