Painted Pottery

[RELICDUDE07]

Found this at 1 of my sites.... I have done a quick search online & not sure if it las Cassa poloychrome ..The 1 with the blue on it . All the stuff was found in the same area.....Thanks for any help

 

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[joshuaream]

That is all historic era crockery and ceramics, not native American. Las Casas Polychrome would show up in the southwest US, your profile shows Mississippi.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

I guess it shows up in Mississippi also?

 

[joshuaream]

Can you give me a link with some blue paint & curve lines like on the piece?

Not really, because I don't collect historic pottery... I've seen some Spanish pottery in the Caribbean that people called Mallorca ware, but it didn't look exactly like that. Check some of the other forums. (Show me a picture of a civil war bullet and I can tell you firmly that it isn't ancient Native American, but I won't be able to tell you much more than that.)

One piece there could be Mississippian era pottery, the piece below the white ones. Probably not, but maybe, the rest are historic.

What I do know is that those fine lines show that it was made on a pottery wheel, and you won't find ancient native American pottery made like that. The blue color was also very difficult to make, in the Americas there is one rare type of Mayan pottery made at the Joya de Ceren site in El Salvador that can have vivid blue colors, and some others made in Chile/Peru, but that isn't really relevant because most of your pieces can't be ancient native American pieces.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

well sure they can be ancient .... The earliest identifiable group, the Woodlands Indians, who are believed to have migrated originally from Asia into Alaska as early as 30,000 years ago and then across the whole of the Americas, also left evidence of their occupation by building mounds for ceremonial and burial purposes.
Most of these mounds have been destroyed by urban development, but one may be seen on Barracuda Drive. It is thought by archaeologists to have been built circa 400 to 600 A.D.

 

[joshuaream]

well sure they can be ancient .... The earliest identifiable group, the Woodlands Indians, who are believed to have migrated originally from Asia into Alaska as early as 30,000 years ago and then across the whole of the Americas, also left evidence of their occupation by building mounds for ceremonial and burial purposes.
Most of these mounds have been destroyed by urban development, but one may be seen on Barracuda Drive. It is thought by archaeologists to have been built circa 400 to 600 A.D.

The Woodland Indians migrated from Asia 30,000 years ago?

You are correct, they are definitely Las Casas Polychrome from the pre-paleo phase. They probably followed the Bison from Arizona to Mississippi on a weekly Tuesday migration.

Just kidding, they are historic European influenced pieces. Not bad finds at all, but they are what they are. The 2002 US Quarter in my pocket isn't a Spanish Gold coin, no matter how much I want it to be.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Thanks for the help.I like las casas & i'm hot on his trail! I think the indians liked the seafood

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Can you date the stuff?

 

[WV sifter]

I see alot of glaze on those shards def. NOT indian,as for how old they are ,id say anywhere from 80yrs to maybe 150yrs B.P.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

They should date spanish/Las casas indian school of pottery 1500-1540 if my treasure map is right!

 

[buzzgator]

Your dates an comments on woodland period is way off. The pieces u posted are not prehistoric. Not meant to offend u just saying whats what!

 

[joshuaream]

The little I know about the historic period in the US is that De Soto went across Mississippi in 1540, not a lot happened before then from a Spanish point of view. I've worked dozens of sites in the Caribbean and am quite familiar with their work down there. Are you saying these pieces of pottery were made by the Arawak indians (Taino, Carib and others) when Bartolome de las Casas was given control of the natives in the Caribbean and Venezuela? When ancient collectors hear things like Las Casas Polychrome we think about the Southwest cultures dating back to 1200ad or so.

You sound like you are interested in learning about what you have. I suggest you try one of the forums where people collect that stuff. I'm not trying to run you out of this section, I find this quite interesting, but you'll probably find people who know what those are instead of people like us who know what they aren't. Check one of the colonial museums in the Dominican Republic, they've studied all of those things.

Above I said Mallorca ware, but I think the term is Majolica ware. Check out this website and see if you can get any more info.

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/histarch/g..._display.asp?type_name=FIG SPRINGS POLYCHROME

 

[RELICDUDE07]

The spanish only wrote in history what they wanted the people to think....I know the stuff is not prehistoric because i find that kind also....I do want to learn more about it,i like to find out all i can before i start metal detecting .I will check out some of the other forums

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Yes i think Venezuela was a different site than - well on my map any way it is.lol ......... Some more pics. this stuff is Majolica - but not sure what the 1 piece is .Almost looks like a indian eye on the broke brown piece ?