P S Justice

[iamwood]

Thought it was toy money when I first cleaned it off, but, with a little research, I think it has something to do with a musket... any Ideas?

around the size of a dime
about three times the thickness
quite heavy for its size

 

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[PBK]

It's a lead seal of the type used on railroad boxcars. Note the letters "R R" on the opposite side. If you can read all of the letters (I can't quite make them out in the photo), they are the initials or "reporting mark" used by the railroad.

 

[iamwood]

Thank You!!!

 

[ryanc11]

Found a report on an archeological dig in Tennesee that turned up one of your box car seals. P.S. Justice surrounding a star. The funny thing is the first assumption is correct as P.S. Justice did manufactur Muskets, Sabres in civil war era. And the box car seal is obviously correct. I wonder if the contents were transported to P.S. Justice in Philadelphia, or could it be finished product transported to the front lines... Really cool stuff... !

From other research including this document I think it probably is "L. & N. R. R." (Louisville & Nashville Railroad).

Do a search in this document for "lead seal" and "P.S. Justice"

http://histpres.mtsu.edu/tennarch/volume1issue2.pdf

 

[Aguila]

PBK, you must have been at this a while. Answeres come from you like water from a spring....and they are correct! Going to be a while for me to get to that point. HH and thanks for your insight...Aguila

 

[Southcacalaky]

Interesting seal, Art...

 

[iamwood]

very interesting stuff.

I found this at my mothers house, as I know of, the rail road never ran through that area. Her house was built in the 40's, and the land was farm before that. As far as my mother can tell, no one in our family,(the only ones who have ever owned the home) have ever worked for the railroad. However, I have found other railroad items, such as Spikes and the likein the yard. I'll have to do more research and dig there again. Puzzeling to me!!!

 

[PBK]

Again, if you can read most or all of letters on the "R R" side, one of us can probably identify the railroad, especially if you'll also post your general location.

P. S. Justice Co. was active at least as early as 1861, and as late as 1887. In addition to muskets and sabers, they also manufactured various items for railroads: car springs, wheels, etc. So, their mark on the seal may simply indicate that they supplied the seal blank &/or the hand-seal used to crimp and emboss it.

 

[iamwood]

I believe it's either
B . & A. R.R.
or
D. & A. R.R.
Pittsfield Mass.

 

[PBK]

Probably the Boston & Albany Railroad, c. 1867-1961.

 

[Rich in Houston]

I know this is an old thread but for what it's worth, I dug one of these a week ago in the Houston area. P.S. Justice one side and H. Houston RR on the other. Dug at 6-8 inches at the same depth as some Enfield bullets and a .54 cal three ringer. I think H. Houston RR was the Harrisburg-Houston RR. And that they took shipment of muskets, or muskets parts to a muster point. That's where we have been hunting. Has any one found any more info?

 

[ivan salis]

the P. S. Justice seal might be for a box or crate of items being moved on the Rialroad line to prevent anyone tampering with the cargo from point A to point B ==the box or crate might have been goods from P.S. Justice --or it might have been just the seal used for other items --items that might not have been opened until it was delivered to the farm or place where it was going to finally..

 

[cw0909]

maybe the tag/seal is from his hammers or crates
for the hammer,or maybe the gun crates too
im thinking the hammer crates, because of many
seals found with dif r&r stamped


some history of Philip S Justice


his shop
Car And Locomotive Springs Manufactory 17th St, Coates St
https://www.philageohistory.org/rdic-images/view-image.cfm/HGSv1.0012
his hammers
Philip S. Justice - Related Photos and Images | VintageMachinery.org

about the guns
searhing his house addy from the Petition doc
Philip S Justice 14 N 5th St
91st PA: Justice rifles
ironic, signs Petition for African Americans to ride the
train,yet sells guns for the civil war
Petition doc
Petition for the Colored People of Philadelphia to Ride in the Cars, June 10, 1862 | exhibits.hsp.org
P S Justice made over 300K in 1862
Guide to Civil War Philadelphia
By Richard A. Sauers
https://books.google.com/books?id=I...rds and guns 14 n 5th st philadelphia&f=false