On the heels of 911

JBYRD

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I responded to a post on another forum months ago regarding Minelabā€™s policy selling to Sudan in Africa. The post was promptly deleted telling me to keep my political views away from the forum.



US companies will not and can not sell into that country and have warned their domestic and international dealers about doing so even if they have reason to believe it is the final destination of the product. Minelab encourages and endorses selling into this country known for sponsoring and harboring terrorist. Many US manufacturers have turned down business because the customers indicated Sudan as a final destination. I wouldnā€™t feel too good about supporting Minelab since they feel it is ok to support terrorism. I am a staunch American Patriot and lost a friend on 911and will never support a company that supports terrorism in any way shape or form.



There is a reason the US has a trade embargo with Sudan and if Australia and Minelab thinks its ok to sell into a country that sponsors terrorism I canā€™t help but feel they help fund and sponsor terrorism especially because what they are selling is finding gold which is basically money.



http://www.state.gov/s/ct/c14151.htm

The United States employs a broad range of tools in its efforts to combat domestic and international terrorism. One of these tools is the imposition of economic sanctions against states which sponsor terrorism. In accordance with the Export Administration Act of 1979, the Secretary of State compiles annually a listing of countries that support or participate in terrorist acts. Currently, the U.S. has designated four state sponsors of terrorism worldwide: Iran, Cuba, Sudan and Syria.

Since 1979, a number of different laws have expanded the universe of sanctions against nations supporting terrorism. Federal agencies, primarily the Departments of State, Treasury, Commerce and Transportation, implement the sanctions which include import embargoes, export license controls, freezing assets, terminating new loans and credit extensions, terminating air services and curtailing other activities between the U.S. and the nations designated as sponsors of terrorism like Sudan.

Minelab has publically bragged about their sales into this country which really rubbed me the wrong way so I called them and asked about their policies. When I called Minelab USA I was told that they and their dealers are selling lots of units into Sudan and that this is partially responsible for shortages on their product worldwide when questioned about selling to Sudan the representative told me they will sell to whoever places an order regardless of where it is going. I asked if they informed any of their customers regarding the US imposed embargo and they said it is not their job and it is the responsibility of the dealer. This prompted me to call Minelab in Australia to see if they also endorsed selling into Sudan. I was told that they fully endorse sales into Sudan and encourage their agents specifically in the Middle East to sell there along with other agents around the world. I mentioned that Sudan is one of only 4 Countries in the world on the United States state sponsored terrorism list and was surprised by the response I received from ā€˜Nedanā€™ the gentleman I was talking to-He said ā€œWe are in Australian company and not an American company so we do not have to adhere to any US sanctions, policies or embargoes imposed on other countries.ā€ WOW! So Minelab basically said they encourage selling metal detectors into a known terrorist country and could care less about US policies in order for the people in this country to find GOLD!---this sounds pretty close to sponsoring and supporting terrorism to me-shame on Minelab. Maybe their attitude will change if one of their cities gets blown up because of all the money the terrorist make finding gold with detector they sell there.

I was provided with letters sent from 2 US manufacturers to their dealers worldwide warning against selling to anyone that indicates the final destination is Sudan along with a long explanation of the US embargo and what it means-When I called these US manufacturers they explained they strongly oppose any sales to this country and any of their representatives indicating so will be terminated -immediately-the opposite of the official Minelab policy. US companies warn dealers not to do it and Minelab encourages their dealers to do it. Next thing you know Minelab will be selling into North Korea and Iran and blaming shortages on this......

I will forever boycott Minelab and feel anyone that supports and buys their products is helping to indirectly fund terrorism along with Minelab.

I am sure once they get wind of people knowing about this they will change their tune and possibly come out with a different official statement but as far as I am concerned the writing is on the wall already and much of the damage has been done no matter what they do or say now that it has been brought to the publics attention if this post is not deleted.

ML detectors are made in Malaysia-and ML is a foreign owned company which means virtually all the hard earned American dollars spent on Minelab products leaves the country hurting the US economy-this along with their support of terrorist nations is enough for me to never buy their products.
 

Dear mr/miss? staunch American patriot,
Your beloved USA is 2nd only to Russia in historically supplying and funding terrorist countries! American dollars funded the IRA for decades.Dollars that bought weapons and explosives to kill and blow apart British and Irish citizens! Just where did you think the money you all threw in those buckets on st Patricks day went exactly?
Osama Bin Ladin is what he is today ONLY because American dollars and arms put him there! He STILL has boxes and boxes of unused "stinger" missiles you gave to him.Wait until he figures a way of getting those around your airports!
You're all well and good when funding and supplying these people to kill and maim in other countries arn't you? Well...
"Good morning America.This is your wake up call.It's 9/11/01 and we hope you enjoy your initiation into world terrorism! Have a nice day now ya'll!"

It's a real pain when something comes back and bites you right in the arse ain't it friend? The above is just two instances,theres many more trust me. If we all followed your example then American exports would have ended decades ago! So now maybe you can get an idea of why Minelab say "up yours" to "US trade embargoes"?

Respectfully not yours

Dano. xxx
 

Umm...why?

Because the first post is full of insular crap? Or because the 2nd post brings a few truths home to roost? :icon_scratch:
 

I just can add that in Sudan 99.9% population like everywhere normal people with own problems and not terrorist. so if minelab or other producers detectors will make somebody live easy er let it be easy.
 

what are we going to say..

first off let me say that i am as far to the right in conversative thinking that i can get....

but what are we going to say....

the US government as been selling arms and munitions to more countries and bad guys around the world then you could shake a stick at....

we sold arms to the same taliban we are fighting now...we sold arms to the same Iraqies we are fighting now...taliban because they were fighting the russians...iraq because they were fighting iran...man, ...we sell arms to every tom dick and harry in the world...and the sales line is if we dont someone else will....our governments have not cared about any of this for the past 50 years...if you have money you can buy anything you want....

what are they going to do with minelab detectors in Sudan...find gold....that is all....then they will sell the gold and buy guns and munitions from the US arms dealers...

soon we will be fighting North Korea...after we have sold them oil and food and God only knows what else for 30 years....
soon we will be fighting Venesuala (sp?)....after we have been buying oil from them forever....
soon we will be fighting Mexico....after half of the people are living here
soon we will be fighting China.... because we wont be able to payback the 13 trillion dollars we borrowed from them....
soon we will be fighting Iran.... because of our inaction and the Israeli action they will have to take to stop the nuke plans....
soon we will be fighting Saudi Arabia... because the money we send to buy oil goes to the Al Quedia networks as bribes so they dont get attacked...

scary.... soon we will be fighting each other.......for 100 reasons....

our government does not want any change...it would upset the status quo...and instead of moving our country back into the leadership position we once held...our government is tying us up all around the world with just messes that no one can solve...

the reason we are still fighting in Iraq and Afganistan is because we have not killed enough people...bomb, bomb, bomb, until somebody puts there hands up and says WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH...


ps...please dont mistake me for a liberal who is just spouting off against our current government...bush 1, clinton, bush 2 and now obama have done nothing at all to show some backbone...if we had handled this correctly from the beginning we would not have been in this mess...IMHO we should have let the banks fail, let the insurance companies fail, let the car companies fail, let the homeowners default, let the north koreans freeze and starve, let iran whip up on saddam (he picked the fight), carpet bombed Kabul for harboring the taliban, drill our own oil, make our own clothes, my ford truck was built in another country, my tv's, computers, phones, laptops, gps, metal detectors are built in another country by people who dont care for us...look at us....people lining up to work at walmart and mc'ds...we make nothing, nothing, nothing, and the line...they work cheaper over there then over here...the price of whatever i bought did not go down at all....and those people aren't buying $50,000.00 trucks and cars...they are making stuff to sell to people who dont have jobs...

there is a story that floats around...the french were hit with some terrorists bombs and they said ....next time it happens we bomb Mecca...nice and simple....i support that...next time we get hit....let it be known...Mecca, the dome of the rock, and that well hole in iran where they think the boy prophet will come back to life after 5000 years or something....i am not against all muslims (my father-in-law is fine)...i am against the crazies and they seem to understand only fear and pain....

oooooooo........is this the metal detecting forums....sorry to rant.... :dontknow: (yes i did serve active duty 11 years threats and intell)

oooooooo........maybe the first post was a troll.......?????????
 

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