old rusty sword

[coops]

Found in england. anyone seen one or similar? not been able to find a similar guard to identify it.
Many Thanks

 

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[l2hunt]

awesome find, would love to find something like that!

 

[coops]

Thank you. im still trying to get info about it, buts its why i love what i do. :-)

 

[yaxthri]

Where and how was this found? Dug, attic find, flea market?

Looks homemade, the pitting and rust patina look genuine but I have some issues with the handle...
The wooden part of the handle looks mounted the wrong way (or maybe the hand-guard was removed and then put back again...). Most swords/knives I've seen have the curved part towards the bottom part, towards the fingers when it is clutched in your hand, not the palm.
How is the wooden handle affixed to the main sword's body? I can't see no pins or studs in your pics. Does it have two parts?

 

[coops]

Hi
I am a part time picker, advertise as house clearances etc. The sword came together with an Epee 1886 French Bayonet, which i have confirmed as genuine. Also were old metalware, scrap., nothing of historical value apart from the these two items. The blade seems to go through the guard and into the wooden handle. The Guard could definitely be removed but nothing seems to have been tampered with recently. The fixing at the top of the handle (3rd Picture) is so eroded it and as become one mass of metal.

 

[yaxthri]

Ok I'm no swords expert in any way. You can check out this site

https://www.antiqueswords.com/category/107/Edged-Weapons.html

if there's something simmilar to your find or maybe contact them.

 

[coops]

Ok I'm no swords expert in any way. You can check out this site

https://www.antiqueswords.com/category/107/Edged-Weapons.html

if there's something simmilar to your find or maybe contact them.

Thankyou, i will give it a look. :-)

 

[gunsil]

The extreme low quality of manufacture leads me to believe it may well be or have been a stage prop or a "decorator" piece to adorn one's wall.

 

[pepperj]

Ok I'm no swords expert in any way. You can check out this site

https://www.antiqueswords.com/category/107/Edged-Weapons.html

if there's something simmilar to your find or maybe contact them.

I was looking over the site the other day and the handle example is there someplace on the site, cavalry section maybe. It's not a stage prop I believe as this link will show something that is very close to what you have.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Go to the international sword forum and ask for information about the sword. Free to join, and you can post close-ups of any important markings and give dimensions (length of the blade and width, etc). You'll have an answer within 24 hours.

Sword Forum International - The Front Page

Best Wishes,

Buck

 

[coops]

I was looking over the site the other day and the handle example is there someplace on the site, cavalry section maybe. It's not a stage prop I believe as this link will show something that is very close to what you have.

Cheers Buck. That is great advice. :-)

 

[coops]

Go to the international sword forum and ask for information about the sword. Free to join, and you can post close-ups of any important markings and give dimensions (length of the blade and width, etc). You'll have an answer within 24 hours.

Sword Forum International - The Front Page

Best Wishes,

Buck

cheers buck. great advice. Quoted pepperj earlier by mistake but thanks to you pepperj
as well. :-)

 

[H-2 CHARLIE]

Any news or updates on this sword ?
The handle looks more French then English

 

[coops]

Any news or updates on this sword ?
The handle looks more French then English

not as yet Charlie. i thought maybe french becuase it was with a french bayonete. It could be in the Field made. as soon as i know it origins, decorative ornament or relic, i will post the results. :-)

 

[VonPalm]

What a find!

 

[unclemac]

look very carefully for proof marks on the base of the blade, ...is the blade straight?...lets have some pictures of the whole thing. looks like parts are missing too, British naval cutlasses were pretty crude and functional (which I do not think it is)..but something along those lines perhaps.

 

[coops]

look very carefully for proof marks on the base of the blade, ...is the blade straight?...lets have some pictures of the whole thing. looks like parts are missing too, British naval cutlasses were pretty crude and functional (which I do not think it is)..but something along those lines perhaps.

when i finish work, i will get some more pics up here. Thank you.

 

[coops]

look very carefully for proof marks on the base of the blade, ...is the blade straight?...lets have some pictures of the whole thing. looks like parts are missing too, British naval cutlasses were pretty crude and functional (which I do not think it is)..but something along those lines perhaps.

Hi. Ive posted some more pictures now. The sword is just over 26" long and the blade is 1 &3/4" at the hilt.

 

[coops]

update on sword. finally got the information.


Valuation reference

V536370-4
Guarantee line

Gunsmith Fabrication Sword.
Description

Dimensions : 66cm long. blade is 3.5cm in width at the Guard. Iron Blade. Brass cast hilt with round iron pierced guard. Poor relic condition.
Date

19th Century.
Length

66cm
Diameter

3.5cm
Extra Notes

This appears to be a "smith" created sword perhaps for theatrical use or for display. Parts of sword do not fit into any specific type or time period.

 

[gunsil]

Looks like I was correct, theater prop or wall hanger. I would not go with the 19th century though, although it could be, but it also could be early 1900s, no way to tell since it has no resemblance to any factory made swords or real military swords. Thanks for posting your findings, coops!!