Old guns - Any idea?

[ModernMiner]

I ran across these pictures up in the attic. Pardon the poor quality but these are pictures of the Polaroid photos from the 70's.
My great grandfather was a collector of many things in his day including old guns & weapons - pistols, rifles, shotguns, swords, bayonet's, etc.
Long story short, during some tough times in the 70's my Dad & Uncle sold off a lot of his collections, but also donated a lot to our county museum. I remember seeing the guns & weapons as a kid and there had to be over 50 pcs easy. I still remember some oddball small guns like a round palm type gun, a pen shaped gun, ladies pearl handled purse pistols, and pistols that had revolving barrels to name a few. The largest piece I remember was some sort of huge rifle that looks like it could take down an elephant. It had it's one stand attached to it!
Now here's the killer that I cry about every time I think about it. They sold his whole collection of guns to a sporting goods dealer in town for only $475!!!

Anyways, back to my question........
Here are a few pictures of a couple of his guns.
Any idea what they were? Age?

Thanks,
MM

 

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[ModernMiner]

Sorry, forgot to add, my great grandfather actually built his own museum too. He shingled the sides with flattened tin cans.
-MM-

 

[Monty]

I'm not that up on older guns but I can tell you have a pic of two percussion muzzle loader rifles, and a "dueling" type pistol that is a flintlock. Would really have to see the whole guns and probably read some of the engraving on them to make a positive ID. Looks like grandad was quite a guy. Monty

 

[dcinffxva]

The top one appears to be a US Model 1816 flintlock, that has been converted to percussion (bolster conversion). The second one isn't clear enough for me to get an idea, and I can't help much with the pistol, other than it doesn't look like anything used by the US military.

 

[ModernMiner]

Thanks guys.
I know it's tough to tell from these old photos.
-MM-

 

[jgas]

Hey Modern, what the heck is up with Grandads windows on that house? Is that place up north here? Just wondering. No idea on the guns though, sorry. jgas

 

[l.cutler]

Yeah, pictures not clear enough but the first is not an 1816, wrong shape lock,triggerguard, stock. Some sort of mid 1800's percussion sporting rifles is about the best I can do.

 

[ModernMiner]

Hey Modern, what the heck is up with Grandads windows on that house? Is that place up north here? Just wondering. No idea on the guns though, sorry. jgas

Jgas,
Yep, it was up in northern Indiana. Not sure why he built the windows so high. I think just for lighting, but so people couldn't look in.
He built himself a small workshop in there to use as he built the museum. He was a very interesting man.
Thanks,
MM

Yeah, pictures not clear enough but the first is not an 1816, wrong shape lock,triggerguard, stock. Some sort of mid 1800's percussion sporting rifles is about the best I can do.

Thanks for the info LC.
Maybe some day I will dig out some better photos.
-MM-

 

[IronSpike]

Nice old photos and cool guns How did your grandfather get all the tin side shingles needed?

 

[dcinffxva]

Yeah, pictures not clear enough but the first is not an 1816, wrong shape lock,triggerguard, stock. Some sort of mid 1800's percussion sporting rifles is about the best I can do.

After taking a closer look, I gotta agree.

 

[ModernMiner]

Nice old photos and cool guns How did your grandfather get all the tin side shingles needed?

Thanks IP.
My grandfather knew a store owner, and he would save them for him. I have a picture somewhere in the attic of him actually nailing them on to the side. Ahhh, you gotta love those old memories.
-MM-