??? OLD Copper Coin ID - Coin Guys Please HELP ???

[Rogue Relic Hunter]

Dug what may be an OLD copper coin ? Was down about 7 inches, directly under a tree root.

NOTHING is left as far as identifiers. just smooth and scratched up some.

put under a 40X dissecting microscope (that lights up the object) and could not find ANY identifying marks, letters, or symbols, NOTHING. not a one.

we could tell it was copper. just scratched up.both sides look about the same.

it is about same diameter as a clad nickle. thinner though (about half as thin ?).

Weight: 3.38 grams (.119 ounce).

Thickness: 1.44 mm (057 inches)

Diameter: 21.64 mm (.852 inches)



Coin guys, is this possibly an old copper coin OR do I have something else? real curious. PLEASE HELP.

any hypotheses welcome!

 

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[Back-of-the-boat]

It looks like a knockout slug from an electrical box the little notch is the part that would have still kept it attached to the box.IMO.

 

[Back-of-the-boat]

i thought of that also, but copper?

That throws me too, that was why I put IMO I myself have never seen a copper electrical box just the shape is so much like one that is why I threw it out there maybe someone else can give a more definitive answer.

 

[Icewing]

Maybe it's nothing more than a copper blank....

Like these
Basic Shapes - Discs - Simple Discs - Page 1 - Harrison & Harrison's copperenamlesshapes.com

 

[Ricoble]

I agree that it is a punch, however it's not from an electraical box, IMO. I've seen similar copper punch outs, just not while I've been detecting..I've seen them on the floor of the maintenance department at work..and I've also had them stick to the bottom of my boot. If its something along these lines, it could have "followed" someone home from work ...just a theory.

 

[Rogue Relic Hunter]

the main thing is, this thing was really down there and hiding under a tree root. also, had a decent amount of patina so it is fairly old. about the copper blanks? since this is old, would there have been blanks back when? still not convinced this is not a coin. coin guys, what copper coin would be similar to the dimensions I listed??

 

[trapperart]

I've dug old nickels that look like copper?

 

[Rogue Relic Hunter]

I've dug old nickels that look like copper?

how old? there is not a mark left on this copper. nothing. not a single letter, number, anything. why i was thinking really old.

 

[Mackaydon]

What copper coin, if any, has these dimensions?
Weight: 3.38 grams (.119 ounce).

Thickness: 1.44 mm (057 inches)

Diameter: 21.64 mm (.852 inches)
Don....

 

[Rogue Relic Hunter]

What copper coin, if any, has these dimensions?
Weight: 3.38 grams (.119 ounce).

Thickness: 1.44 mm (057 inches)

Diameter: 21.64 mm (.852 inches)
Don....

that is exactly the question I posed. now we are looking for answers. lol

 

[Mackaydon]

Knowing the object's exact metallic composition might help in its ID; it would certainly rule out many hypotheses.
Don........

 

[Icewing]

Even if it were a coin, by the time it's so worn it has no features it wouldn't weigh but about half what it originally did. You have to remember people have used copper since BC times. The idea of it being a punch out for connecting a pipe to a whiskey still, or a blank for stamping tags is just as reasonable. Got any railroads nearby? I've found several flattened coins that were train track victims. Just because it's round doesn't mean it was a coin.

 

[Rogue Relic Hunter]

Knowing the object's exact metallic composition might help in its ID; it would certainly rule out many hypotheses.
Don........

since we have no hypotheses as of yet, there are none to rule out. lol. it is copper. but, agreed, knowing the measurements i posted and that it is copper, this should rule things out BUT ALSO potentially validate other hypotheses.

so far, NO hypotheses. thought the coin experts would weigh in, so for notta...

 

[Rogue Relic Hunter]

COIN EXPERTS ?

What copper coin, if any, has these dimensions?
Weight: 3.38 grams (.119 ounce).

Thickness: 1.44 mm (057 inches)

Diameter: 21.64 mm (.852 inches)

 

[steelheadwill]

Regarding exact alloy %ages, many years back (not so many, I started digging in 2010) I sent a dozen period counterfeits to a gentleman who ran them through his XRF (nondestructive) scanner and sent me the printed readouts along with his own educated opinions on each one for a very reasonable fee,
unfortunately I cannot find the paperwork, though I do have all the coins in the numbered kraft paper envelopes in which he returned them.
I'm gonna try to find our communications that must be in one of my old Email accounts, this would be a valuable resource, Will make a new post if I find it and he still offers the service. HH All!

 

[Rogue Relic Hunter]

Regarding exact alloy %ages, many years back (not so many, I started digging in 2010) I sent a dozen period counterfeits to a gentleman who ran them through his XRF (nondestructive) scanner and sent me the printed readouts along with his own educated opinions on each one for a very reasonable fee,
unfortunately I cannot find the paperwork, though I do have all the coins in the numbered kraft paper envelopes in which he returned them.
I'm gonna try to find our communications that must be in one of my old Email accounts, this would be a valuable resource, Will make a new post if I find it and he still offers the service. HH All!

i took it to the college and we look at it under magnifiers and microscopes and no evidence of any lettering at all. it sure was exciting to find, whatever it is.

 

[A2coins]

hope its a coin i once dug a pile of those knock out thing it was brutal they were not coins best of luck to you

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[Rogue Relic Hunter]

it really does not look like a knock out thing, def a plausible hypothesis though. since there is nothing visible, there really is not much i can do. it is just one of those fun mysteries that sometimes comes with this hobby. keeps life exciting.

 

[rick67]

Here Scott (How you been by the way) I took this from American Coin Dimensions. If it's a coin,
21.2mm Liberty, Buffalo and Jefferson Nickels
21.6mm $5 Gold 1840 ~ 1929
22mm ¼ oz. American Eagle $10 Gold, ¼ oz. $25 Platinum Eagle, Half Cent Liberty Cap 1793, 20 Cent Piece (1875 ~ 1878), $4 Gold Stella
22.5mm

 

[Rogue Relic Hunter]

Here Scott (How you been by the way) I took this from American Coin Dimensions. If it's a coin,
21.2mm Liberty, Buffalo and Jefferson Nickels
21.6mm $5 Gold 1840 ~ 1929
22mm ¼ oz. American Eagle $10 Gold, ¼ oz. $25 Platinum Eagle, Half Cent Liberty Cap 1793, 20 Cent Piece (1875 ~ 1878), $4 Gold Stella
22.5mm

hi, long time. i took a sabbatical and am back at it. thanks for the information. this thread was dead for awhile, but it got revived. made me pull this object back out and look at it more. never did figure it out, maybe never will. those #s are helpful, thanks for posting.