old brass hand bell solved

[tinpan]

hi all heres a cracked hand brass bell. Bit like the old school bells used in the playground.any ideas on who old

tinpan

 

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[johnnyi]

Re: old brass hand bell

Tinpan, you've got a magazine article here! Seriously. That dump is awesome to say the least. I hope at the end of the year you put all your dump finds together so we can see them "en masse"!!

The bell....yes the bell. It's a darn old bell!

 

[Rusted_Iron]

Re: old brass hand bell

Safe guess, off the top of my head... 1880-1900.

Just a guess.

HH,
R.I.

 

[johnnyi]

Re: old brass hand bell

I'd guess a little earlier on the bell. It looks like it may have been made from a larger horse bell which had the tab cast in at the top as one piece. You have to look under the furrel and see, but if the hole in the tab is elongated it is particularly old. If round, I don't know how old,... but old.

 

[Rusted_Iron]

Re: old brass hand bell

I'd guess a little earlier on the bell. It looks like it may have been made from a larger horse bell which had the tab cast in at the top as one piece. You have to look under the furrel and see, but if the hole in the tab is elongated it is particularly old. If round, I don't know how old,... but old.

You are probably right. I was going by the brass collar on top. But it could be 1860's. The technologies of 1850-1860 in bell making were probably the same as those of 1880-1900. I think the major brass working technology improvement came in around 1850 or so.

 

[johnnyi]

Re: old brass hand bell

I'd guess a little earlier on the bell. It looks like it may have been made from a larger horse bell which had the tab cast in at the top as one piece. You have to look under the furrel and see, but if the hole in the tab is elongated it is particularly old. If round, I don't know how old,... but old.

You are probably right. I was going by the brass collar on top. But it could be 1860's. The technologies of 1850-1860 in bell making were probably the same as those of 1880-1900. I think the major brass working technology improvement came in around 1850 or so.

Rustediron, I'm just looking at that tab. here's a pretty crumby example of a horse bell, but it shows the tab which they all have, and there's a tab on tinpan's bell. Horse bells are so darned hard to date because the shape didn't change much, but still it might be possible to find some early examples of horse bells that match.

Anyway, I think this was before the school bells we think of, as they had no tab, but were drilled through the top and the handle was held with a long bolt. This one was made from an existing horse bell. (I like your guess, 1850's)

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[Rusted_Iron]

Re: old brass hand bell

Rustediron, I'm just looking at that tab. here's a pretty crumby example of a horse bell, but it shows the tab which they all have, and there's a tab on tinpan's bell. Horse bells are so darned hard to date because the shape didn't change much, but still it might be possible to find some early examples of horse bells that match.

Anyway, I think this was before the school bells we think of, as they had no tab, but were drilled through the top and the handle was held with a long bolt. This one was made from an existing horse bell. (I like your guess, 1850's)

For some reason I didn't even look at the tab. Yeah, I'm thinking it's on the earlier side now. In fact, based on the way it cracked, maybe it's cast and not spun? That would also suggest earlier make.