OAK ISLAND Who thinks treasure is still there? and why? moved or found ? you vote.

[ARC]

I think it is still there... BUT...
I do not think it is "at the bottom"
I think it is at bottom level of pit... then "over" from pit...
I think there is no treasure at the bottom of the pit ... it is located in a direction ... whatever that direction may be from the bottom of the "pit".
they dug till water then just above that point tunneled over in a direction (N.S.E.W. ?) who knows which.

IN MY OPINION
The logs at every 10 feet ... were scaffolding
Last set of logs ...= floor bottom scaffold
They would have tunneled from that point to make a "chamber"
After loaded... they flooded it with flood tunnel and sand.

Took a mass of men to put it there... will take ? to remove it.
I still think that the "strip mining" approach would be the best way to get to it.

 

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[Hitndahed]

Actually,,

I think there is more than one treasure there. From what I have seen and read I am leaning towards the Templars hiding items there AND "pirates" hiding at least1 and possibly many more smaller treasures.

The guys doing that TV show on H2 are doing it right in my opinion. Taking the time to fully research and document their research. Spanish coins,,English coins,,and the Templar "coin" that they found after clening it up.

There is too much time between those coins dates to even consider that there is only one"treasure to be found..

To me,,, I have NO DOUBT that they will find treasure,,,And you can BET that ALL religious groups are intently following this. The second that "the treasure" (Templar religious relics) if found and identified,, I GUARANTEE

that there will be forcable-armed attempts fo sieze it. By religious zealots and probably many countries will try too. Hitler tore up half of Europe hunting the ARK and other artifacts. As well as searching for ancient tech and info that would have aided his conquest of the world.

 

[ARC]

I agree with them "seizing" anything found that has a religious significance and or major historical importance... You can guarantee that one coming
IF a Templar treasure is found you can bet "they" whoever "they" are will surface to claim it...
Because of it being as big if not bigger than King Tut's Tomb find.
And "they" will claim that it is too much for any one man or group to own.
Hope whoever finds it gets a LARGE "finders fee"... that is the best that can be hoped for...
Like Mel Fisher... the state will battle for control of it the minute it comes out of the ground.... MAJOR legal claimants...etc etc...Good luck turns into a stress paranoid nightmare.

 

[New Gold]

If you bothered to read the other threads you would know these are complicated questions with complicated incomplete answers.

Instead of making a new thread why not get up to speed by reading through the other threads?

A new thread should warrant a new question. You haven't asked anything new.

Which is why many people won't bother with this thread.

 

[ARC]

Why would I want to read a thread that was started forever ago... loaded with posts that would take me a week to read... of which MAYBE 1/3rd would even be worth reading... 1/3rd would be a complete waist of my time... and the final third... are by people who no longer read or care about that thread anymore ?

 

[Robot]

The (Untold) Story of The Oak Island Money Pit

The Oak Island Money Pit was constructed by the “powers that be” that were and still are to this day, the secret force that controls the course of mankind on earth.
This organization is known as - The “Freemasons”.

The story of The Oak Island Money Pit begins in the 1760’s
It was conceived by a number of Britain’s high ranking naval officers, who were also Masonic degree members of the Freemasons and belonging to the Masonic “Premier Grand Lodge of England”.
These Masons were members of the Whig Party opposed to the next successor to the throne, the unstable King George III.
These members were:
Washington Shirley, 5th Earl Ferrers – Vice Admiral - Grand Master of the Masonic Lodge – Premier Grand Lodge of England
George Anson, Baron Anson – Admiral of the Fleet
George Keppel, 3rd Earl of Albemarle - Commander-In-Chief
Augustus Keppel, 1st Viscount Keppel – Rear Admiral – Brother to George Keppel
William Keppel – Lieutenant-General – Brother to George Keppel
George Pocock – Admiral – Commander of the Invasion of Havana
and
Benjamin Franklin – First Grand Master of Pennsylvania who met in 1760 with the Grand Master of England to discuss their plan.

The Mason’s plot originated after King George III’s destruction of the Whig’s political power with his redirection of this power to the Tory Party, and the Mason’s concern of the imminent invasion of England, during the Seven Years’ War, by the joint forces of France and Spain. Spain outlawed all forms of secret organizations, including the Freemasons.

The Mason’s plan was to redirect a fortune to the “New World” (North America), to enable the transfer of the Masonic organization, if and when these fears materialized.
Their plan entailed the capture of Havana in 1762.
Havana’s Morro Castle was the Fort Knox of Spain, holding the South and Central America’s gold supply prior to its shipment to Spain.
The invasion of Havana was under the command of George Keppel, with Admiral George Pocock and Keppel’s two brothers Augustus and William Keppel, commanding the actual attack. They were successful with the capture of Havana and Fort Morro and its unprecedented amount of treasure. They also captured a number of the Spanish Fleet, which was needed to accomplish their plan. Accordingly, Admiral Pocock returned to England with the main English fleet carrying a portion of the treasure, while Augustus and William Keppel along with their crew and Masonic engineers all sworn to secrecy, manned the 8 Spanish Galleons and the 2 British Man of War. This treasure was diverted to a small island off the coast of New England and Nova Scotia now called Oak Island.

At Oak Island the treasure was buried based on the Masonic “Royal Arch” (Enoch’s Temple) consisting of nine arches going down nine levels by way of a main shaft (The Money Pit) which was dug down to the bedrock. From the ninth level another tunnel was constructed which ran back up to a point above the known water level, roughly 20 feet underground and at this point an enormous cavern was built to hold the treasure. The treasure was carted down the main shaft and placed up into this cavern. To conceal their plot they had the 8 Spanish ships dismantled with all the wooden parts not used in the construction of the shaft, tunnels and cavern burnt and all the metal parts (canons, anchors and bolts) were placed at the bottom of the main shaft. Flood tunnels were built out to the ocean to booby trap any treasure seekers attempts to follow down the main shaft. A large stone was placed at the air lock (8th level) as bait to activate the flooding. This stone had strange engravings on it to entice any unworthy treasure seekers to pause and take the bait (stone) away for deciphering, thus allowing time for the tunnels and main shaft to fill with water and be destroyed forever. The Masons knew exactly by their calculated mark above ground where the treasure cavern below ground was located, and could access it by digging down 20 feet.

Once the treasure was secured in the cavern and all the evidence was hidden from the island, it was documented that the Keppels sailed back to England with 2 ships and a small portion of the treasure. They claimed that the remainder of the fleet had sunk in a hurricane on route.

The Masons left several markers on the island to relocate the treasure.
1 large triangle or more precisely a crude Sextant
2 drilled holed stones
1 large stone cross
These combined markers along with the Star Map are used to cross triangulate and a set degree on the sextant point to the “X” where the cavern is today located.

Is the treasure still in this cavern?

I believe it was removed in 1795

One of the three original discoverers of the Money Pit was Daniel McGinnis, who stated he was drawn to the island when he noticed strange lights appearing on the island just prior to his discovery.
These lights were made by the Freemasons when they returned for their treasure.
This Masonic party was headed up by George Washington, President of the United States – acting Grand Master of the Washington DC Masons.

The treasure’s vast fortune was used, as planned, to further the power of the Freemasons in their new world, with them becoming “The New World Order”.

 

[ARC]

The (Untold) Story of The Oak Island Money Pit

The Oak Island Money Pit was constructed by the “powers that be” that were and still are to this day, the secret force that controls the course of mankind on earth.
This organization is known as - The “Freemasons”.

The story of The Oak Island Money Pit begins in the 1760’s
It was conceived by a number of Britain’s high ranking naval officers, who were also Masonic degree members of the Freemasons and belonging to the Masonic “Premier Grand Lodge of England”.
These Masons were members of the Whig Party opposed to the next successor to the throne, the unstable King George III.
These members were:
Washington Shirley, 5th Earl Ferrers – Vice Admiral - Grand Master of the Masonic Lodge – Premier Grand Lodge of England
George Anson, Baron Anson – Admiral of the Fleet
George Keppel, 3rd Earl of Albemarle - Commander-In-Chief
Augustus Keppel, 1st Viscount Keppel – Rear Admiral – Brother to George Keppel
William Keppel – Lieutenant-General – Brother to George Keppel
George Pocock – Admiral – Commander of the Invasion of Havana
and
Benjamin Franklin – First Grand Master of Pennsylvania who met in 1760 with the Grand Master of England to discuss their plan.

The Mason’s plot originated after King George III’s destruction of the Whig’s political power with his redirection of this power to the Tory Party, and the Mason’s concern of the imminent invasion of England, during the Seven Years’ War, by the joint forces of France and Spain. Spain outlawed all forms of secret organizations, including the Freemasons.

The Mason’s plan was to redirect a fortune to the “New World” (North America), to enable the transfer of the Masonic organization, if and when these fears materialized.
Their plan entailed the capture of Havana in 1762.
Havana’s Morro Castle was the Fort Knox of Spain, holding the South and Central America’s gold supply prior to its shipment to Spain.
The invasion of Havana was under the command of George Keppel, with Admiral George Pocock and Keppel’s two brothers Augustus and William Keppel, commanding the actual attack. They were successful with the capture of Havana and Fort Morro and its unprecedented amount of treasure. They also captured a number of the Spanish Fleet, which was needed to accomplish their plan. Accordingly, Admiral Pocock returned to England with the main English fleet carrying a portion of the treasure, while Augustus and William Keppel along with their crew and Masonic engineers all sworn to secrecy, manned the 8 Spanish Galleons and the 2 British Man of War. This treasure was diverted to a small island off the coast of New England and Nova Scotia now called Oak Island.

At Oak Island the treasure was buried based on the Masonic “Royal Arch” (Enoch’s Temple) consisting of nine arches going down nine levels by way of a main shaft (The Money Pit) which was dug down to the bedrock. From the ninth level another tunnel was constructed which ran back up to a point above the known water level, roughly 20 feet underground and at this point an enormous cavern was built to hold the treasure. The treasure was carted down the main shaft and placed up into this cavern. To conceal their plot they had the 8 Spanish ships dismantled with all the wooden parts not used in the construction of the shaft, tunnels and cavern burnt and all the metal parts (canons, anchors and bolts) were placed at the bottom of the main shaft. Flood tunnels were built out to the ocean to booby trap any treasure seekers attempts to follow down the main shaft. A large stone was placed at the air lock (8th level) as bait to activate the flooding. This stone had strange engravings on it to entice any unworthy treasure seekers to pause and take the bait (stone) away for deciphering, thus allowing time for the tunnels and main shaft to fill with water and be destroyed forever. The Masons knew exactly by their calculated mark above ground where the treasure cavern below ground was located, and could access it by digging down 20 feet.

Once the treasure was secured in the cavern and all the evidence was hidden from the island, it was documented that the Keppels sailed back to England with 2 ships and a small portion of the treasure. They claimed that the remainder of the fleet had sunk in a hurricane on route.

The Masons left several markers on the island to relocate the treasure.
1 large triangle or more precisely a crude Sextant
2 drilled holed stones
1 large stone cross
These combined markers along with the Star Map are used to cross triangulate and a set degree on the sextant point to the “X” where the cavern is today located.

Is the treasure still in this cavern?

I believe it was removed in 1795

One of the three original discoverers of the Money Pit was Daniel McGinnis, who stated he was drawn to the island when he noticed strange lights appearing on the island just prior to his discovery.
These lights were made by the Freemasons when they returned for their treasure.
This Masonic party was headed up by George Washington, President of the United States – acting Grand Master of the Washington DC Masons.

The treasure’s vast fortune was used, as planned, to further the power of the Freemasons in their new world, with them becoming “The New World Order”.

Great post... love it

 

[Peyton Manning]

IF there was anything it is long gone

 

[ARC]

IF there was anything it is long gone

why do you think so?

 

[Peyton Manning]

well had you the technology to get a treasure there in the 16th century, bury it, protect it with flooding traps would you then forget it?
Would you go to all that trouble to leave it for someone else to find?
No, whoever buried it took it

 

[ARC]

Well I guess it would depend on a few things though... I picture the room/group of men who were the deciding factor in that "decision" to go back and "take it"
Something like... (?)
#1. Do we have somewhere "better" to move it to ?
#2. If it were a "security issue" then yes... if not... then no.
#3. To sneak back and get it would be some effort... and would "draw possible attention/detection".
etc etc... the pros vs the cons sorta thing maybe.

 

[Dave Rishar]

The logs at every 10 feet ... were scaffolding

You're assuming that there were logs.

 

[UpstateCacheHunter]

I absolutely think something is there. I think the swamp holds the answer. I believe the construction of the swamp was to hide the answer to the money pit. I believe they dug a shaft to the desired depth, and made the swamp to cover it all up. I think after so many years the evidence of such is likely hard to find, but if they drain the swamp and dig down a bit they may be able to fine the original entrance.

As far as the who, I tend to believe it is the Templars treasure, as there is much evidence pointing to them. I hope they solve the mystery someday of the who, what, when, where, why, and how. Such an amazing history on that island. I would just like to go there to feel its energy.

 

[Dave Rishar]

I absolutely think something is there. I think the swamp holds the answer. I believe the construction of the swamp was to hide the answer to the money pit. I believe they dug a shaft to the desired depth, and made the swamp to cover it all up. I think after so many years the evidence of such is likely hard to find, but if they drain the swamp and dig down a bit they may be able to fine the original entrance.

Based on what evidence?

As far as the who, I tend to believe it is the Templars treasure, as there is much evidence pointing to them.

Is there?

I hope they solve the mystery someday of the who, what, when, where, why, and how.

Agreed.

 

[miket156]

At this point, I don't think there is a Treasure there.

The last organized group that excavated the island that dug 10X had a large lined tube going down the shaft and after lowering a camera and spotting a corpse and two "Treasure" chests, they sent a diver down 10 times and came up empty handed. I was surprised they found anything at all, but after all the drilling, digging, trying to stop the Atlantic Ocean from coming in through tunnels and flooding the shafts that were dug, nothing.

Its an interesting story, and the History Channel Program is good television entertainment, but I do believe they are just wasting money. That seems to be the only money pit on Oak Island.


Cheers!


Mike T.

 

[rick67]

And you let them blow all this money to find nothing BECAUSE?

The (Untold) Story of The Oak Island Money Pit

The Oak Island Money Pit was constructed by the “powers that be” that were and still are to this day, the secret force that controls the course of mankind on earth.
This organization is known as - The “Freemasons”.

The story of The Oak Island Money Pit begins in the 1760’s
It was conceived by a number of Britain’s high ranking naval officers, who were also Masonic degree members of the Freemasons and belonging to the Masonic “Premier Grand Lodge of England”.
These Masons were members of the Whig Party opposed to the next successor to the throne, the unstable King George III.
These members were:
Washington Shirley, 5th Earl Ferrers – Vice Admiral - Grand Master of the Masonic Lodge – Premier Grand Lodge of England
George Anson, Baron Anson – Admiral of the Fleet
George Keppel, 3rd Earl of Albemarle - Commander-In-Chief
Augustus Keppel, 1st Viscount Keppel – Rear Admiral – Brother to George Keppel
William Keppel – Lieutenant-General – Brother to George Keppel
George Pocock – Admiral – Commander of the Invasion of Havana
and
Benjamin Franklin – First Grand Master of Pennsylvania who met in 1760 with the Grand Master of England to discuss their plan.

The Mason’s plot originated after King George III’s destruction of the Whig’s political power with his redirection of this power to the Tory Party, and the Mason’s concern of the imminent invasion of England, during the Seven Years’ War, by the joint forces of France and Spain. Spain outlawed all forms of secret organizations, including the Freemasons.

The Mason’s plan was to redirect a fortune to the “New World” (North America), to enable the transfer of the Masonic organization, if and when these fears materialized.
Their plan entailed the capture of Havana in 1762.
Havana’s Morro Castle was the Fort Knox of Spain, holding the South and Central America’s gold supply prior to its shipment to Spain.
The invasion of Havana was under the command of George Keppel, with Admiral George Pocock and Keppel’s two brothers Augustus and William Keppel, commanding the actual attack. They were successful with the capture of Havana and Fort Morro and its unprecedented amount of treasure. They also captured a number of the Spanish Fleet, which was needed to accomplish their plan. Accordingly, Admiral Pocock returned to England with the main English fleet carrying a portion of the treasure, while Augustus and William Keppel along with their crew and Masonic engineers all sworn to secrecy, manned the 8 Spanish Galleons and the 2 British Man of War. This treasure was diverted to a small island off the coast of New England and Nova Scotia now called Oak Island.

At Oak Island the treasure was buried based on the Masonic “Royal Arch” (Enoch’s Temple) consisting of nine arches going down nine levels by way of a main shaft (The Money Pit) which was dug down to the bedrock. From the ninth level another tunnel was constructed which ran back up to a point above the known water level, roughly 20 feet underground and at this point an enormous cavern was built to hold the treasure. The treasure was carted down the main shaft and placed up into this cavern. To conceal their plot they had the 8 Spanish ships dismantled with all the wooden parts not used in the construction of the shaft, tunnels and cavern burnt and all the metal parts (canons, anchors and bolts) were placed at the bottom of the main shaft. Flood tunnels were built out to the ocean to booby trap any treasure seekers attempts to follow down the main shaft. A large stone was placed at the air lock (8th level) as bait to activate the flooding. This stone had strange engravings on it to entice any unworthy treasure seekers to pause and take the bait (stone) away for deciphering, thus allowing time for the tunnels and main shaft to fill with water and be destroyed forever. The Masons knew exactly by their calculated mark above ground where the treasure cavern below ground was located, and could access it by digging down 20 feet.

Once the treasure was secured in the cavern and all the evidence was hidden from the island, it was documented that the Keppels sailed back to England with 2 ships and a small portion of the treasure. They claimed that the remainder of the fleet had sunk in a hurricane on route.

The Masons left several markers on the island to relocate the treasure.
1 large triangle or more precisely a crude Sextant
2 drilled holed stones
1 large stone cross
These combined markers along with the Star Map are used to cross triangulate and a set degree on the sextant point to the “X” where the cavern is today located.

Is the treasure still in this cavern?

I believe it was removed in 1795

One of the three original discoverers of the Money Pit was Daniel McGinnis, who stated he was drawn to the island when he noticed strange lights appearing on the island just prior to his discovery.
These lights were made by the Freemasons when they returned for their treasure.
This Masonic party was headed up by George Washington, President of the United States – acting Grand Master of the Washington DC Masons.

The treasure’s vast fortune was used, as planned, to further the power of the Freemasons in their new world, with them becoming “The New World Order”.

 

[KGC SENTINEL]

I think if you look at all the stuff found in the past and you will see it is a ? I will tell you later

1) who could build something like this
2) stones found (markings)
3) parchment found
4) gold chain link
5) wood box
6) metal plate?

First question I asked was how small was the gold chain link and what was it from.
Then I looked at the where it was found in the pit.
That was my starting point

 

[ARC]

I think if you look at all the stuff found in the past and you will see it is a ? I will tell you later

1) who could build something like this
2) stones found (markings)
3) parchment found
4) gold chain link
5) wood box
6) metal plate?

First question I asked was how small was the gold chain link and what was it from.
Then I looked at the where it was found in the pit.
That was my starting point

Tell later?... ok its later now... do tell.
Good question on gold link

 

[G.A.P.metal]

When i watch guys use a backhoe to see if the ground has been disturbed....instead of a 4' T handled Spring Steel Privy Probe

to see if the ground has been disturbed....i have my doubts.
Gary

 

[ARC]

I actually don't watch the show... that crap frustrates me... I watched the first season and of course knew after that ... "I could do it better". heh
Like I have stated before... I still do not know why they havent' strip mined the whole thing once and for all... with archies and all picking through the dirt as it came out... massive spiral hole 100 yards wide that tapers to center "pit area" ... this would keep the "collapse" to nill... as well as enable true 90+ foot excavation to be done.... NOTHING can be done in current state of pit.