O no not another one :)

[chong2]

Im super excited to have found another! But its killing me that i cant get a positive id on them!
The base was recently found, about 15 miles of the two black ones. The base has two flutes on one side, or thinning strikes. All are made out of a basalt material. All are heavily ground super smooth.
Now for there to be this many points of the same type, there has gotton to be a name for these guys.
To be honest, and what im going to call these are Quads, they have every characteristic as the easter Quad, minus the paleo flaking, possibly due to the material used? To me they feel transitional early archaic.
Someone told me awhile back Armijo Cluster, but I have many doubts.
Quads were around many years, so why the hell couldnt they have made thier way this way?
Another possible type is a San Patrice variety or even Dalton Greenbier. Anyone have any input on these let me know, found in SW USA.
Its really driving me crazy

Again, im going Quad, if you have arguments or anything, feel free to express, open book on this one

 

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[The Grim Reaper]

Another characteristic I notice on all three is that one tang is longer than the other on each point and were obviously made that way on purpose. Two of them made that way might be a coincidence, but three of them made that way makes it a trait in my book.

 

[mad.co.walker]

from some books ive looked through the one on the left is to me a QUAD and the others are SAN PATRICE because of the longer tang . but im just guessing. anyway great finds !!!!!!!!!

 

[coteau]

Nice uns...

They sure look like they're in the Dalton family. I can't think of any other point type with serrations, beveling, form, and the like. I'm not familiar with all the different varieties/names of Dalton points, but Quad sounds about right... I always think of Golondrinas and San Patrices when I think of Texas, but there are obviously many other types of Dalton points in TX also.

Dalton points are the second most widespread point geographically after Clovis. There have even been a few found in ND (Meserve types); however, they are pretty rare in these parts...

 

[Hutch in PA]

Just curious...did you find the keyboard in the background laying near by? Too bad it's missing a key, otherwise it is a G10! Definite relic. I'm 'typing' it as an IBM, though it may be part of the transitional period to HP. Hahaha! Nice finds!

 

[*Molly*]

I would say a Dalton Variety Brandon, maybe the Dalton Colbert. If you're still unsure ask Matt, he will prolly know.
Nice find hon.

Molly.

 

[1320]

Just curious...did you find the keyboard in the background laying near by? Too bad it's missing a key, otherwise it is a G10! Definite relic. I'm 'typing' it as an IBM, though it may be part of the transitional period to HP. Hahaha! Nice finds!

LMAO Hutch! Looks like the "delete" key was anciently reworked ......

 

[Get-the-point]

You guys freaking kill me, that was a great laugh by both of you. Chong i'm gonna send you a keyboard. It's time to retire it my friend. Shake some red ochre over it and bury it, it's done!!!.......... ...........GTP........


Oh and by the way the points look like Dalton Breckinridge style points. You could have a varient. Those are nice...............

 

[1320]

The long tang on one side reminds me of a flight of geese in the V formation, one side of the line is almost always longer than the other.....just saying.....perhaps some areodynamic gain is achieved......

 

[arrowman]

These are classic San Jose points. Although they look and feel paleo they are later. Middle to Late Archaic, 3,500 B.P. to 6,500 B.P. I love this type, you are finding some great ones.

 

[Neanderthal]

I agree with Arrowman. They are San Jose.

From what I can see, they aren't remotely close to Quad, Dalton, San Patrice, etc. The only similarity to any of them would be in age. We could rehash this (http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,278499.0.html until we're all blue. However, in the end...it's your point. You can call them whatever you want. I'm just gonna nod my head and say "nice finds!"

 

[ohio]

Chong, those really are some killer points. Very nice!

Chuck

 

[*Molly*]

At last we find out for sure. Thanks Arrowman & Matt for the info.

Molly.

 

[all_atv]

The long tang on one side reminds me of a flight of geese in the V formation, one side of the line is almost always longer than the other.....just saying.....perhaps some areodynamic gain is achieved......

Do you know why one side of the flying geese formation is longer than the other?









Cause theres more geese on that side! LOL

 

[chong2]

Lmao, you all made me crack up hard, lol, im so embaressed,i had no idea till i looked back at the pictures, that is a messed up keyboard, and the filth on it, lol, i dont need another guys, thanks tho, just a good cleaning lol

Steve, I forgot to mention that about the ears, thank you for noticing and pointing that out. i at this point am convinced it is from a very particular group, or we have been chasing the same guy "knapper" around.

I have other San Jose's but on all of them the ears are more uniform, Mats probally tired of seeing this point surface by now lol, dont worry it wont come up again untill another is found which will more thank likely happen, this is 3 pieces in less than two years found.

Thanks arrowman for taking the time and posting in here, welcome BTW!
And thanks everyone else for the input and the smiles , lol
As for the keyboard, ill just rework it why toss something that can be salvaged

 

[chong2]

If anyone has some publications or illustrations of this very particular point they would like to share i would be more than happy, arrowman, do you have any books you can refer me to?
Thanks again guys

 

[arrowman]

If anyone has some publications or illustrations of this very particular point they would like to share i would be more than happy, arrowman, do you have any books you can refer me to?
Thanks again guys

For your region the best book out there is Stone Age Spear and Arrow Points of the Southwestern United States by Noel D. Justice. There's a lot of variation in San Jose points so they don't all look exactly the same. Here's a pic and a link to check out also.

http://www.ele.net/oshara/SanJose/os_SanJose.htm

 

[chong2]

Thanks for the picks arrowman, i too have noels book, a few more illistartions in this picture, like srv pointed out these 3 seem to have a very unique chararistics, but part of the san jose family, tahnks again

 

[Boomdeyada]

In my book it looks like a Dalton. From North East Texas, but they traveled and traded so points could end up any place.
Its Paleo and also found in Arkansas, Missouri and Nebraska. Nice find.

 

[Neanderthal]

In my book it looks like a Dalton. From North East Texas, but they traveled and traded so points could end up any place.
Its Paleo and also found in Arkansas, Missouri and Nebraska. Nice find.

Dalton are not paleo, they are early archaic. In fact, you could say that they "brought in the Archaic". They aren't found in any great numbers in NE TX and don't occur in Nebraska either. They are VERY common in Ark *especially northern*. You will find points that look Dalton all over the place, but they aren't Dalton. For the record, many of the points that are tagged as such (Hempstead, Hemphill, Greenbrier, the list goes on) aren't true Daltons either. They share a similar technology (see diffusion) and similar times...but seem to be made by different people.