Notre Dame de la Deliverance? Anyone know the Latest?

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Thanks Cornelius,
I am trying to find out some more recent info. Just checking to see if anyone had any inside info. Have they started diving yet?

Robert in SC
 

I don't think Subsea has found the Notre Dame de la Deliverance! lol
 

Doc et al.,

My understanding was that the NDdeD at the time of its sinking was a french commercial ship belonging to a French company that was working under contract to Spain. It is a very interesting case, and I am surprised that Sub Sea Research has not already taken the case to a Federal Court. Perhaps they are still trying to reach an agreement with Spain. If the ship was flying the Spanish flag, which it probably was, then it would come under the 1902 Treaty with Spain, even though it was French-owned. However, just because it comes under the Treaty does not mean that the wreck belongs to Spain. The Treaty recognises and covers both State owned and privately owned ships, and my reading of it is that a privately owned ship working under contract to Spain on what was essentially a non-military venture (carrying treasure, albeit that the vast majority of it belonged to the Kingdom of Spain) would now belong to the rightful heirs and successors to the original owners. Sub Sea Research say that that French company is long-since defunct and so there are no present owners. If that is the case, and I suspect it is, then in my opinion the ship should be up for salvage, but not in a Florida court because ships covered by the 1902 Treaty are not abandoned except by express act. Sub Sea should approach a Federal Court and ask for the salvage rights.

This is a specific example of a principle that I have suggested previously on this forum, and more recently on the IMAC forum.

Mariner
 

Mariner,
SSR has file for admiralty in Federal Court back in 2002. But I know for a fact they have not found anything. They filed for admiralty on this wreck with zilch, zero, nada. The Judge gave them over 18 sq miles based on a piece of lead sheeting they say came from the Deliverance. They could have found lead cheating anywhere, and who's to say it came from the Deliverance. All of their data was based off information that was obtained from 3rd parties and they went off spending investors money on a fantasy. I think the only reason they put a name to the vessel was to get investors and the story of the Deliverance adds a twist to Spains claim to the vessel. But with this, they now have not only Spain involved but France and Britain as well.

They said that is was a French vessel carrying Spanish treasure that was captured by the English. Now the sh*t really hit the fan with that. And not to mention, the US chimed in and tried to represent Spain on their behalf!

Diving Doc,
I am interested to hear your opinion on the information you posted earlier. Do you think the wreck could be the Deliverance?


PM me sometime and I will tell you why I am so interested in the big D.

Thanks,

Robert in SC
 

Doc, Robert and Tom,

Thanks for your information, which seems to very well founded. Sometimes bullshit baffles brains, and certainly in this case baffled the court.

Mariner
 

Doc,

It would seem to involve a whole range of illegal behavior, including fraud and conspiracy. I would be pretty upset if I was one of their investors, and I do not understand why somebody has not asked one of the the law authorities, such as the FBI to take appropriate action.

Thanks again for setting me straight on this matter.

Mariner
 

Doc... According to Robert Marx the cargo was not identical.

"All treasure-laden ships were not necessarily Spanish galleons, as ships of other nations also carried Spanish treasure back to Europe from the New World. In 1755, a period when no Spanish ships were available to carry treasure to Spain, as Spain and England were at war, a French ship named "Notre Dame de Deliverance" disappeared without a trace somewhere between Havana and Cadiz. Her cargo consisted of 1,170 pounds of gold bullion carried in seventeen chests, 15,399 gold doubloons, 153 gold snuff boxes weighing 6 ounces each, a gold-hilted sword, a gold watch, 1,072,000 pieces of eight, 764 ounces of virgin silver, 31 pounds of silver ore, a large number of items made of silver, six pairs of diamond earrings, a diamond ring, several chests of precious stones, plus general cargo consisting of Chinese fans, cocoa, drugs, and indigo."
 

Here's the original news story.

December 2002 - WEST PALM BEACH - An 18th century shipwreck believed to contain a king’s horde of Spanish gold, silver and jewels more spectacular than the $400 million treasure recovered by Mel Fisher from the sunken galleon Nuestra Senora de Atocha has been found in deep water about 40 miles southwest of Key West.

Treasure hunters who’ve examined the wreck say their research indicates that it’s the Notre Dame de la Deliverance — a 166-foot, armed merchant vessel of French origin that sailed under a Spanish flag. The research includes surveys of the site by state-of-the-art remote sensing devices and divers, a study of historical records, and the discovery that a few silver items — including a crucifix, plate and some coins — were brought up years ago by other salvagers.

“It was one of the richest ships ever lost,” says Greg Brooks, 51, the co-manager of Portland, Maine-based Sub Sea Research Inc., which is conducting the search and proposed salvage effort. He estimates the value of the Deliverance’s trove could be between $2 billion and $3 billion.

Sub Sea Research recently followed its findings with a quiet trip to federal court in West Palm Beach to stake a claim under admiralty law. In October, Sub Sea won an order from Senior U.S. District Judge James C. Paine allowing the company to “arrest” the shipwreck and protect itself from modern-day pirates. The wreck is located “substantially” inside the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary but outside Florida territorial waters, according to court records.

The law considers wreck sites “submerged cultural resources.” Those found in the sanctuary — a federal trusteeship co-administered by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the state of Florida — are strictly regulated. A permit is required to conduct a detailed survey and inventory of a wreck site. Additional permits are needed to recover and get title to the treasure.

Brooks says the law should now protect the company from other possible claimants if the wreck is indeed the Deliverance. The state has no claim, says Brooks, because the wreck is beyond the three-mile limit. Spain has asserted admiralty claims to lost warships in U.S. courts, but the Deliverance was privately owned.

The Notre Dame de la Deliverance, hired by Spain and owned by the French West Indies Co., which is long defunct, capsized and sank in a hurricane on Nov. 1, 1755, a day after departing Havana for Cadiz, Spain. On board were 512 passengers and crew.

The ship, named for an ancient French cathedral in the Normandy village of Lion-sur-Mer, was a top-heavy vessel equipped with 64 cannons, according to documentation cited by Sub Sea Research. It was hired by Spain because the kingdom was broke and could no longer build her own ships, and because the French and Indian War and the Seven Years War were diverting Spain’s naval resources.

“By 1750, [Spain’s system] that had for centuries shipped treasure back from the New World had virtually collapsed,” says R. Duncan Mathewson III, Mel Fisher’s former chief archaeologist who recently signed on as a consultant to Sub Sea Research. Mathewson, a member of the marine sanctuary’s advisory council, says Spain needed ships from other countries to transport treasure.

The Deliverance departed Havana on Halloween with a Spanish escort of seven or eight smaller, schooner-like vessels called zabras, according to Brooks’ research in Cuba and elsewhere. The ship soon met a fate that Brooks now believes was remarkably similar to what befell the Atocha and its hapless crew in surrounding waters 133 years earlier.

The hurricane struck the night after the ship left Havana, its eye passing over Havana to the southwest. The escorting zabras reportedly were able to survive the storm and scudded across the outer reefs to eventually anchor on the northwest side of the Marquesas Keys to ride out the storm the following morning, according to a research report prepared by Brooks and Sub Sea researcher Edward Michaud in July.

The Deliverance, blown off course, wasn’t so lucky. Sailors from the escorts who made it back to Havana reported the treasure ship foundered in roiling seas 12 nautical miles off the Marquesas Keys, rolled over and sank in waters too deep to allow salvage.

An incomplete manifest of Deliverance cargo that was owned by Spain’s King Charles III declares those riches to include 17 chests packed with nearly 1,200 pounds of gold bullion, 15,000 gold doubloons, six chests of gems, and more than a million silver pieces. That doesn’t count contraband or any valuable surviving belongings of passengers.

In contrast, the 112-foot Atocha’s approximate yield to date is 115 gold bars, 900 silver bars, 200 pounds of gold, 3,000 emeralds, 135,000 silver coins and less than 100 gold coins.

The largest treasure ever salvaged — worth more than $1 billion — was recovered in the 1990s from the 1857 wreck of the coal-burning sidewheeler S.S. Central America. That American ship went down off the coast of South Carolina carrying bullion and coins being brought back to the east coast by those who’d struck it rich during the California Gold Rush.

If the shipwreck found by Sub Sea Research is indeed the Deliverance, it capsized and sank in waters 180 to 200 feet deep, about 10 miles from where the Atocha was found in shallower waters in the 1970s by the late Mel Fisher.

Undersea search devices like side scan sonar and remotely operated vehicles have located an intact hull, two encrusted piles of ballast stones and what Brooks says appears to be cannons on the seabed. The wreck lies outside Florida’s territorial waters. “It looks like two wrecks,” says Brooks.

Mathewson is enthusiastic but cautious about the find. “It is important to emphasize we haven’t dated or identified any of the [sonar] anomalies yet, and we don’t know if it is the Deliverance,” says the marine archeologist, who has not yet visited the site or seen video shot by Sub Sea Research. “But I’m very excited.”

He says it’s promising that the wreck was a good-sized ship that appears to be pre-19th century. “We have side scan images of what looks like a well-articulated, intact lower hulled structure with full ballast,” he adds.

Mathewson says records indicate clear signs of a hurricane at that particular time. “The question is did the Deliverance go down in this part of the keys or go down in some other part,” he says. The ship was reported to have flooded and foundered in a very deep sea. “You would therefore expect the hull to be pretty much intact, and that’s what the images are suggesting. It’s not a vessel that’s scattered or broken up.”

The Deliverance has remained largely outside the shipwreck lore of the Keys. Even within the treasure hunting community, the Deliverance isn’t well known. Bob “Frogfoot” Weller, a longtime South Florida treasure hunter who’s written six books on the topic, says he’s never heard of the Deliverance.

“Just because they find a ballast pile, that absolutely doesn’t make it a treasure wreck,” says Weller, who lives in Lake Worth. “There are thousands of wrecks along the coast of Florida, but there aren’t that many that are real, serious treasure wrecks.”

Another dose of skepticism comes from Dr. John Broadwater. Broadwater is the manager of the Monitor National Marine Sanctuary off the coast of North Carolina, the site of the wreck of the Civil War ironclad USS Monitor. Its distinctive round turret was brought to the surface to great fanfare last summer.

“Treasure hunters are often wrong, and so are archeologists,” Broadwater says. “It’s so easy to go off and find something that has some of the characteristics of what you are looking for because you want so much to find it.” Still, more than one member of famed treasure hunter Mel Fisher’s team has found evidence about the Keys wreck site convincing enough to join Sub Sea Research’s team.

Lead attorney Guy E. “Sandy” Burnette Jr., a Tallahassee solo practitioner, says he’s brought aboard Fisher attorneys David Paul Horan of Key West and William VanDercreek, professor emeritus of Florida State University’s law school.

Burnette convinced Judge Paine that the find is genuine — and that an order protecting the wreck from rival treasure seekers was necessary — by showing him lead sheathing that once protected the hull from worms and was recovered outside the national marine sanctuary. The sheathing is the only item removed so far by Sub Sea Research, Brooks says.

The court order applies to an area that covers 18 square miles. About 90 percent of the wreck is located in the sanctuary, he says. Still, Burnette says, “we had to go to court to protect our rights outside the sanctuary.”

Sub Sea Research applied for an inventory permit in September. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration general counsel Martin Freeman, in Silver Spring, Md., confirmed the application is pending but declined further comment. An official at the marine sanctuary’s Key Largo office who is familiar with the application declined comment.

Still, Brooks and Burnette remain confident they’ve complied with the rules and will get the permit soon. “We’ve gotten very strong assurances that they won’t consider another permit for the area while ours is pending,” says Burnette. Brooks says that “once we get it in hand, and the weather clears, we’ll be back at the site.”

The marine sanctuary rules, which evolved from Mel Fisher’s protracted and ultimately successful legal battle with Florida over the right to the Atocha treasure, allow private salvagers to work wrecks on public property as long as the public’s interest in historic preservation is protected.

Generally, that means commercial salvagers like Sub Sea Research can obtain legal title to valuable items such as bullion, coins and gems deemed by archeologists to be of no special historical interest. The public would own any unique artifacts. But because the marine sanctuary’s rules of ownership are inexact, the potential remains for litigation over each item if and when treasures of disputed ownership are hauled from the wreck.

Before he hunted sunken treasure, Brooks built swimming pools for a living. About a decade ago, after 19 years in that business, he cashed out to find his fortune. Brooks’ principal partner and fellow investor is John Hardy, a former National Aeronautics and Space Administration engineer who currently runs a La-Z-Boy Furniture Gallery in South Portland.

Brooks says he’s personally spent a million dollars so far in the hunt for treasure that he believes has led him to the Deliverance. He’s helped make ends meet doing salvage work for insurance companies. Brooks, who is married and has a 15-year-old daughter, has plans to create a shipwreck museum and aquarium in Portland.

Until late June, when they first identified the wreck in the Straits of Florida as the Deliverance, Brooks and his associates spent much of their search time in wreck-infested waters off the north coast of Haiti. It’s there that Brooks and his partners think they’ve made another stunning discovery — the ballast stones and anchor of Christopher Columbus’ flagship, the Santa Maria. The Santa Maria struck a reef and sank off Cap Haitien in 1492.

Last summer, Brooks was preparing to return to Haiti when Michaud, a Sub Sea researcher in Framingham, Mass., began turning up information about the Deliverance. “The more we dug, the more we found that fit,” says Brooks. So Haiti was off, and Key West was on.

While Brooks and his company are the first to identify the Keys wreck as the Deliverance, they are not the first divers to have visited the site. In the mid 1990s, Thomas Yerian, a Key West resident, was issued a five-year search permit by the sanctuary, but it later expired. Yerian could not be located for comment.

“It’s been found before, but nobody recognized it,” says Brooks. Or, perhaps, nobody’s had the resources until now to mount an expensive and hazardous expedition, and overcome the bureaucracy, to locate and raise valuables from the wreck site. Brooks began attempting to check out the Keys wreck site in 1998. Recent technological advances in underwater imaging devices, however, are opening up the search, he says.

Sub Sea Research’s primary recovery vessel is the 102-foot M/V Diamond, a converted U.S. Navy torpedo retriever that’s currently docked on Stock Island near Key West. Today, says Brooks, about a dozen people are employed by Sub Sea Research to conduct the search of the Deliverance and document it with TV cameras; more will sign on when salvage activity at the site resumes. Everyone is a subcontractor, working mostly on speculation for an agreed-upon share of any booty.

All 512 crew and passengers on the Deliverance were presumed lost at sea. But Brooks and Michaud now hypothesize that as many as 400 survivors used small longboats and gigs to reach Matanca Key, a spit of sand nearby. The site now is submerged and is named Rebecca Shoal.

Historians previously have reported that 400 Frenchmen were butchered and cannibalized by Calusa Indians on Matanca Key, or Slaughter Key as it was also known, sometime before 1775. Brooks says he’s since learned that a year after the Deliverance sank, a French governor-general in the Caribbean dispatched two French frigates and 600 French and Spanish sailors to the Marquesas Keys to enact retribution on the Calusas for their alleged involvement in the massacre of French seamen who had survived a shipwreck.

The French found the bulk of the Calusa tribe on Key West and slaughtered more than 3,000. The bloodbath, Brooks says, marked the beginning of the end for the now-extinct tribe and may account for Key West’s Spanish name, Cayo Hueso, or Island of Bones. That hypothesis may never be proved. But 40 miles away, the answers to other questions are lying in the twilight 200 feet down.

“The bottom is flat there,” Mathewson says. “There’s no coral growth. It’s kind of a silty sand substrate, and there won’t be any environmental problems with doing work on this site. If it’s the Deliverance, it’s pretty much just sitting there, waiting.”
 

TR,

I am interested to hear how SSR came about this site? What research put you into this 18 or so sq mile area?

Since you are personally involved, what is the latest news on the site?

Robert in SC
 

TR,

Thanks for that input. Great topic. I look forward to eventually understanding the true story. However, if the wreck is as intact as Subsea say, I wonder why they have not recovered something more specific to identify it.

Mariner
 

Robert... As I recall, the wreck was discovered by a fisherman. He brought up artifacts in his net.
 

Here's another article.

Junuary 2003 - WEST PALM BEACH - At first glance, it may look like any number of legal motions filed at the federal courthouse. Except the defendant in the case isn’t a person or a corporation - it’s a centuries-old shipwreck.

And that makes the legal document somewhat akin to a modern treasure map, one that holds the location via longitude and latitude of what is believed to be the remains of an 18th century merchant ship known as the Notre Dame de la Deliverance. The Deliverance could hold a fortune that would make Florida’s richest shipwreck look like a toddler’s piggy bank.

Sub Sea Research Inc., a Portland, Maine, salvaging outfit, believes it found the wreck of the 64-cannon French ship. Spain chartered the vessel to bring gold, silver and other riches from the New World to replenish coffers after its war efforts. But the Deliverance, with its 512 passengers, never made it to Spain, foundering in a 1755 hurricane.

What is known, according to an incomplete manifest dug up in Spain by Sub Sea, is the Deliverance left Havana on Halloween filled with 1,200 bars of gold bullion, 15,000 gold doubloons, six chests of gems, and a million silver pieces. That would be 10 times the booty found on the famed galleon Nuestra Senora de Atocha, which sank in nearby waters and netted the late Mel Fisher legendary status when he hauled up $400 million in treasure -- the largest find ever. If the shipwreck turns out to be the 166-foot Deliverance, Sub Sea says it could contain between $2 billion and $3 billion in treasure.

Senior U.S. District Judge James C. Paine has allowed Sub Sea to make its claim under admiralty law, granting permission to “arrest“ the still officially unidentified, wrecked and abandoned vessel off the Florida Keys. This will allow Sub Sea to protect its claim from other treasure seekers. As is done under admiralty law, the defendant is actually the wreck itself, identified only by its longitude and latitude. The legal wrangling has only just begun.

On Friday, Sub Sea’s attorney said the kingdom of Spain also has laid claim to the wreckage. Tallahassee lawyer Guy E. “Sandy“ Burnette said Spain is asserting that the wreckage contains remains of Spanish soldiers and is sacrosanct. “It’s what we call a minor development,“ Burnette said wryly.

“They’ve cast a blanket over this thing before anybody really knows that it is the Deliverance. We think it is. We have good reason to believe it is, but honest to God how can we know until we see it?“ Sub Sea will argue that the ship isn’t Spanish at all but French. The U.S. State Department, though, has told Sub Sea it needs Spanish permission to dive on the site.

Legal matters aside, getting to the salvaging effort itself will be a tricky maneuver because the wreck is strewn across the border of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary, home to fragile coral reefs.

Greg Brooks, co-manager for Sub Sea Research, was back in Maine for the holidays, shoveling snow, dreaming about the Florida Keys and the Deliverance. “When I first started doing this I was like everybody else,“ Brooks said. “It’s like you are a kid and you’re walking down the beach hoping you trip over a treasure chest.“ But Brooks says it is about much more than the money for him now: “There were 512 people aboard that boat. What are their stories? That is the most fascinating part of digging up history.“

Before they turned their attention to the Deliverance, Sub Sea focused on wrecks off the coast of Haiti. Brooks said they believe they’ve discovered the anchor and ballast stones of Christopher Columbus’ Santa Maria, which sank in 1492.

As for the Deliverance, there is plenty of skepticism in the sea of treasure hunters. Other salvagers, archaeologists and interested parties have flooded Internet bulletin boards on their favorite subject. They doubt Sub Sea has found the Deliverance, they doubt the Deliverance ever existed and even if it did, they believe there probably is not that much gold to be found within its strewn skeleton.

“They are saying this is typical publicity,“ said Bob “Frogfoot“ Weller, a Lake Worth treasure hunter who’s written several books on the subject. “When you want somebody to invest in your wreck, you say there is billions of dollars on board.“ Weller noted the hoopla over the famed HMS DeBraak, which sunk off of the Delaware coast in 1798. Word was there was so much gold on the 80-foot ship that it sunk from the weight. When it was recovered, the only items of wealth found were a few gold bars and a ring, he said.

The Deliverance is about 10 miles from the Atocha site, but it is in deeper water about 40 miles southwest of Key West. Until recently, technology was not available for treasure hunters to explore the 200-foot depths where the Deliverance might have sunk, Brooks said. Brooks said satellite imagery has been particularly helpful, and so has research in Florida, Cuba and Spain.

“If you just headed out to sea and said, ’I’m going to go strike it rich,’ forget about it,“ Brooks said. “You have to do a ton of research, and you have to do a ton of surveying, and then you have to be extremely lucky.“

Sub Sea learned that shrimpers in the 1980s pulled up some items with their nets at the suspected site. It took 20 hours to free one shrimper’s net, which entangled some wood, an urn and some big black metal ingots that were probably silver. During the years, others have fished out a crucifix, plate and some coins from the site.

Information on the ship has been scattered and scarce. The Deliverance was a French ship owned by the French East India Co. that Spain had hired to bring back wealth to fill its coffers in anticipation of what would become the Seven Years’ War (1756-1763).

What has Brooks and his company excited is that sonar has found a ballast -- the rocks that weighed down ships -- at the location, and it fits the size of the Deliverance. And if the wreck is indeed the Deliverance, there will be a review process to allow excavation within the sanctuary, which stretches 2,800 nautical square miles from the Dry Tortugas west of Key West into Biscayne Bay, throwing a protective cloak over the coral reefs. The wreck is thought to be spread over an 8-square-mile area, which includes the sanctuary but no Florida territorial waters.

Brooks has said much of the wreckage is free of coral and that a salvage effort would be environmentally friendly. The company uses a 102-foot converted U.S. Navy torpedo recovery ship. Sanctuary spokeswoman Cheva Heck says that Sub Sea has applied to survey the ship wreck site. “Our primary concern when we permit submerged cultural resources is the environment,“ Heck said. “If it is in a sensitive area, it is doubtful we would allow salvaging activities. “And if items are recovered, the sanctuary can lay claim to them if they have unique historical public interest, she said.

Burnette, Sub Sea’s attorney, said he expects some opposition from Keys residents even though the wreckage is on flat-bottom sand. But first Sub Sea must fight with Spain for the rights to the ship. “This is turning out to be the biggest maritime case in history,“ Brooks said. “If this case goes the wrong way then every salvager who does what I do is out of business forever.“
 

Doc.

As usual, you pose very pertinent and complex questions. I think I will do more personal research, and will post an opinion after I have done so. Thanks for the interest and entertainment.

Mariner
 

Contempt of court for what? Arresting an UNIDENTIFIED shipwreck? ???
 

Jeff,

As you know, the term "unidentified shipwrecked vessel" is a legal convention. The SeaHunt case, for example, which was specifically about the Juno and LaGalga was officially labelled as "Sea Hunt Inc. vs Unidentified Shipwrecked vessel or vessels."

There seems little doubt that the Subsea Research permit was based on a specific claim that the wreck they had found was likely to be the Deliverance.

I wonder how much of the research referred to by TR was presented to the Court, in which case it is public information. I will check and see.

Mariner
 

Mariner... Don't be so sure. I read the court papers of the arrest that Odyssey recently filed. There was no mention of the name of the shipwreck in the documents. All that's necessary is an artifact from the shipwreck, and a location. Read the bold print of the last article that I posted.
 

Jeff K said:
The Deliverance is about 10 miles from the Atocha site, but it is in deeper water about 40 miles southwest of Key West. Until recently, technology was not available for treasure hunters to explore the 200-foot depths where the Deliverance might have sunk, Brooks said. Brooks said satellite imagery has been particularly helpful, and so has research in Florida, Cuba and Spain.

How would satelite imagery help find a wreck at 200 feet?
 

Well guys it looks like I will have to take a gun with me an ARREST my GHOST SHIP ;D ;D. Like Sub Sea did.
However there is a difference here-I know exactly where my Ghost Ship is located within a few feet-plus or minus a few inches. I have SSS photos, underwater photos, Mag reading and MD readings. I know that this ship is estimated to be 55 feet long and about 16 feet wide. I have scans of part of the rudder. I have scans of 2 cannons and possibility an anchor. I know where the Bow is.
Now if I arrest this vessel then what? I guess the STATE OF FLORIDA can come and let my prisoner lose. :-\
The funny part of this whole thing is that I am NOT allowed to PROVE that this ship actually exist.
The State refused to issue me a search permit but they have asked me for the CORDS ;D ;D (YEA RIGHT).
Later update in this on going drama.
Peg Leg
 

diving doc said:
Since it was part of your email address I would have assumed you would have been aware.

[email protected]

Doc, "Trident Research" is used by many groups that are totally unrelated. Just google it, and you'll see that very quickly. TR began Trident Research & Recovery, Inc in 1995, so I assume that's the relationship with his email. tridentresearch.net doesn't seem to have any relationship with TR. There is no shipwreck or maritime info listed on their site. It seems to be a domain name waiting to be sold.
 

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