✅ SOLVED New member here with more (possible) artifacts and chert lol

[NotJustAnotherSarah]

Hi, first I just want to say this is such a great space for people who are finders! I feel like I have already learned so much and I've been able to share as well. My favorite is feeling the joy of the amazing finds and returns of lost items. It definitely gives me a push to keep searching (struggling with autoimmune illness).
Ok I posted something titled chert tool. Well it wasn't chert and it wasn't a tool. One of the members asked if I had found other items there and I really wasn't sure because my thing is rocks and fossils and gems. Well we had a good rain so I went to the creek and in between finding fossils and geodes (old habits die hard) I found some other items that I thought could have a man stamp on it. I really have to thank all the members specifically pointing out chips and pecks to train my eye. So here are the others. I feel like one is a definite while the others are questionable. I need your amazing trained eyes to check them out. I will try for better pics. It seems they look good and then I post them and I'm like really I thought that was good??!!




Thank you every one for your input!
Also on my hill I have a certified native american trail marker tree. It's been estimated to be over 300 yrs old. Lucky me this stuff is on my land! Any advice on searching techniques and styles to get the most value from the hunt verses the summer chigger bites?

 

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[ToddsPoint]

The first one looks like jasper, the second Ft. Payne Muldraugh,(I don't think I spelled that right) the third hornstone. All native debitage. The ones after that look natural. You're on to it now. Go find a point! Gary

 

[A2coins]

cool finds my friend

 

[A2coins]

also welcome to tnet

 

[flinthunter]

Would be interesting to see your trail marker tree. Please post a picture of it. As for the pictures you've posted, I don't see anything I would consider tools. The first couple, debitage, maybe. I've never seen a certified trail marker tree, please post a picture of it.

 

[Geochem]

Hi Sarah,
ToddsPoint gave you a quick overview of your findings. A very accurate overview.

To help you out with more specific information - since all this is new to you but you have an excellent place to find indian artifacts - I have attached a few useful items. They are detailed so give yourself time to carefully read and digedt. Especially the rock sources given, and how they may vary geographically - like the name of limestone formations (rock layers) that are known to have high grade chalcedony sought after as the mineral material that makes easy concoildal chip faces when trying to make an arrowhead, sharp edge scraper, etc.

 

[Rookster]

Nice finds and Welcome to Tnet.

 

[Geochem]

Better quality images of prior image of rock source information for your geographic area.

 

[NotJustAnotherSarah]

Thanks so much! I will get a pic of the tree. I recently had to clean pics off this phone due to space.
So I think I took some pretty terrible pics of the 1st one the jasper. I think it is some thing and there are like 2 lines you can see through.

Ok I hope that does it justice!

 

[NotJustAnotherSarah]

Better quality images of prior image of rock source information for your geographic area.

I really enjoyed the read on the debitage. I will have to train my eye to it. It's just hard to pass up all the shinny stuff and fossiles! I even have fossils that are also geodes! I mean look at this stuff. I clearly have a problem.

 

[NotJustAnotherSarah]

Would be interesting to see your trail marker tree. Please post a picture of it. As for the pictures you've posted, I don't see anything I would consider tools. The first couple, debitage, maybe. I've never seen a certified trail marker tree, please post a picture of it.

Filnthunter here it is. I will also post a new thred.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Tree thread was moved to everything else forum. Bent trees are not indian artifacts, no way to know when tree was bent or by whom.

 

[Geochem]

I really enjoyed the read on the debitage. I will have to train my eye to it. It's just hard to pass up all the shinny stuff and fossiles! I even have fossils that are also geodes! I mean look at this stuff. I clearly have a problem.
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I do not see a problem. In many places it is called a "rock garden" of items to show visitors. You have a very nice collection started. And a nice interesting hobby!

 

[Plug N Play]

The farm is beautiful, that is where a village would have been located ... on the flats, near the water.
Looks heavily modified with flat fields, ponds, dams and landscaping.
If it was a site, the artifacts may be buried and modern use doesn't excavate to the extent it once was excavated.
I'd say that artifacts were found during all that heavy excavation. (or there is a more likely site not too far distant)

Incidental flakes and flake tools might be found in the surrounding hills, such as the trail marker site, but I would consider habitation sites to contain the vast majority of artifacts. You may find a lost arrowhead in the hills, but knapping remnants and one-time, incidental tools would be the likely finds away from the habitation sites.

Here's one quick hint that can be used when using coins to show size of items:

When you flip the item, flip the coin.
It really does help the viewer understand the layout of an item having a "side a"- "side b" perspective, and can be used in any follow-up discussions and pics. It's easy to do.

You've collected a nice array of stones, and I can only expect it will continue to get better as you continue the fun ! Good luck, and enjoy.

 

[NotJustAnotherSarah]

The farm is beautiful, that is where a village would have been located ... on the flats, near the water.
Looks heavily modified with flat fields, ponds, dams and landscaping.
If it was a site, the artifacts may be buried and modern use doesn't excavate to the extent it once was excavated.
I'd say that artifacts were found during all that heavy excavation. (or there is a more likely site not too far distant)

Incidental flakes and flake tools might be found in the surrounding hills, such as the trail marker site, but I would consider habitation sites to contain the vast majority of artifacts. You may find a lost arrowhead in the hills, but knapping remnants and one-time, incidental tools would be the likely finds away from the habitation sites.

Here's one quick hint that can be used when using coins to show size of items:

When you flip the item, flip the coin.
It really does help the viewer understand the layout of an item having a "side a"- "side b" perspective, and can be used in any follow-up discussions and pics. It's easy to do.

You've collected a nice array of stones, and I can only expect it will continue to get better as you continue the fun ! Good luck, and enjoy.

Thank you for the amazing insight! Yeah got a little spooked and desided to remove location info. So all 3 ponds were dug in the 60s / 70s. And I know where the dirt was put. It's really cool because that is where geodes and fossils bubble up out of the ground. There is a creek that was natural that flows into the large pond and down from where "the tree" is and where it is has been untouched for a long time. I know this because we had to find an unaltered area for the new presby and had to cut into the woods. Part of the main house is from the 1800s but the farm was mostly developed by a very eccentric man in the 60s and 70s. I love this place and I'm glad I got to share some of the history with you!
Thanks Plug N Play

 

[flinthunter]

Thank you for posting the tree for me. I believe I've made my decision about this post.

 

[dig deeper now]

Welcome to something you will get to love just being in the out doors and finding money and everything else in that is in the ground for you to find. Great pics and HAPPY HUNTING

 

[NotJustAnotherSarah]

Thank you for posting the tree for me. I believe I've made my decision about this post.

I'm not sure how to take this as I feel like it was some kind of lure to get me to stir the pot. As a new person to this forum I was unaware that tnet already had a well spoken and well known position on the trail marker trees. But hey I had a good hike and collected several turkey feathers found a broken china plate from europe as well as a broken piece of very thick pottery. I got several great pics of mushrooms and some native sand stone that is shaped like little bowls.
I am pleased with the info I received from the generous members and what to look for and how to hunt my property. Which was my question in the first place.
Please enjoy this mushroom pic as a cautious thank you? I think? Not sure? Any way thanks to you I will be less "open". Good lesson.

 

[flinthunter]

I wish you all the best of luck with your finds. As for the trail marker tree, sorry, but I just don't see it.