New history found by relic hunters

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New History found by Relic Hunters.



There you go. For a change lets give credit where credit is due. I've been trying to go relic hunting on land a couple of times each week so I'll get enough exercise and not be in bad shape when I go to Alaska this Summer to mine gold. Friday, my old friend Robert McDaniel and I went relic hunting in Mississippi. We have been looking for some unknown sites in that area. We were given permission to look on some land that hasn't been built on or otherwise lost. Many of the places where we found relics 30 years ago are now subdivisions or shopping centers. Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to developing property. I just know that we should find relics and record all the history that we can before a place is gone. I notice now when I find iron relics that they are in much worse condition than the same type relics were when I started relic hunting. Brass and lead also deteriorate due to chemicals and fertilizer in the soil and water but iron is rusting away fast. Many items that could be found and saved now will not be anything but rust colored ground in another 30 years. The tens of thousands of relic hunters, artifact hunters and collectors are the primary people who save and care for the physical remains from these lost historical places. We pay for our own gas, expenses and equipment. We don't ask for any government grants. We don't get paid wages to pursue our worthy hobby. We are the people who write the reference books used by schools, museums, collectors and the public. We are the folks who gave or lent almost all of the historical relics that are in museums. We are the guys and gals that go to the schools and talk and display history to your kids. We don't get paid for our efforts and that is just fine with us. The research and thrill of the hunt is what we like. Just like with a bass fisherman, it's not about the fish. It's about catching the fish. With us, it's about finding the relics and the history. We are the good guys. Recorded history benefits from our efforts.



Now on with my story. Robert and I are just plain old relic hunters. Old is the key word. We are amateur relic hunters and amateur archaeologists. What amateur means is that we don't get paid. It means we do what we do for love, not money. Between the two of us, we have seventy years of experience in finding, saving and preserving relics from the War Between the States.

We found a small area that had the routine busted iron pieces that probably came from stoves and cooking pans. Robert kept hunting in the junkie area and found a 24 lb. solid cannonball. Robert is one of the best relic hunters anywhere but he has only found two whole cannonballs. He looks for lead and brass. I look for cannonballs and have found about 500 on land and underwater. I have only found 20 belt buckles while Robert has found over 100. Robert has found about 50 Confederate belt buckles. He also finds lots of buttons while I rarely find any buttons.

We hunted this area and I found a 24 lb. canister plate. These two items for the same cannon pretty much means there was a 24 lb. cannon there. Robert found an adjuster buckle from a Confederate sword belt. He also found a broken piece of a CS Tongue and Wreath buckle. We found three entrenching tools and an ax. Robert says the ax was a US issue, so we can assume that it was confiscated from the invaders. This was a Confederate place, no Yankees allowed. We found several more items before we tired out. Hopefully we will find more relics and be able to learn more about the soldiers that were there. This is not a very big area and not terribly important to the grand scheme of things. It is a place that had not been written about and no other relic hunters have been there before us. We found it. We have found many great places over the years and each time we do we add to the known history of the War Between the States. We are the good guys just like almost all of the relic hunters and collectors are. We are not looters, scavengers, plunderers or any other derogatory word that the jealous professionals like to call us. We are the good guys.



Wednesday, Feb 1st the quarterly meeting of the Alabama Historical Commission will be in the auditorium of our State Capitol. The public meeting starts at 1:30 pm. Several interesting subjects will be discussed and voted on by the AHC directors. You can't vote but you can say what you think. Some of the directors will probably get up and walk out before the first public citizen is allowed to speak. Others will stay and at least listen. Possibly we can influence what happens at the AHC. Not all of the directors are bad, some are very good but they are outnumbered by directors with conflicting interests, politically correct agendas and those who just couldn't care less. I am very worried about the new regulations concerning the Alabama Underwater Cultural Resources Act. At the November meeting, new regulations that are much more friendly worded were proposed to the public by the AHC. Public comments were accepted until Dec. 9th. Many excellent comments were received in overwhelming support of public access to our waters by divers and relic hunters. We approved of the new regulations. Now I am being told that there may be further delays on the new regulations. I fear any further delay can be a disaster such as the constant delays concerning the Wheeler House. Alabama?s dive industry and divers have been trying since 1999 to fix these terrible regulations that we now have. During the last few months at least three more scuba training businesses have been forced to go out of business in Alabama. Southeastern Divers in Florence had been in business about thirty years at that location. The Dive Site in Hoover had been in business about twenty-five years and had been the largest dive store in Alabama. I'm not saying that the AHC regulations put the businesses out of business but they helped. We now have the worst diving regulations in the country. If other dive stores continue to close down, where will divers go to fill their scuba tanks? Where will our citizens learn to scuba dive? Are Alabama citizens going to be held back from what the rest of the world can do? The AHC can give us the new regulations that they proposed, NOW. We can't wait. Please come to this meeting next Wednesday.







Steve Phillips

Southern Skin Divers Supply

4515 5th Ave South

Birmingham, AL 35222

205-595-3052

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Now is the time for every person in Alabama who supported Steve Phillips during his trial to be at this meeting. You may not be able to have a voice but your presence will be felt. Before the AHC paves the road for the rest of the country, here is your chance to make sure the regulations fits everyones needs and not just a selected few.
 

Outstanding relics!! You explained metal detecting in a way that would make alot of people view it differently :)
 

I am with you 100% ss,Good luck with the AHC!!Pretty soon all's that will be left is your own back yard.....Maybe!!
 

Steve,

Sorry I didn't read this post until today, the day of the meeting. I hope all goes well. I wrote Gov. Riley a letter after your trial and got a somewhat positive reply. Possibly a canned response but at least it was a response. I especially agree with your comment on the Joe Wheeler home. The AHC's treatment of the property has been a disaster. I've attended some of the meetings of the group led by Lucy Walser, Wheeler's great-great granddaughter. With people like her leading the charge maybe it can be saved.....maybe.

Good luck,

Kent
 

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And conquer peace for Dixie
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It was an interesting meeting. The dive regulations were discussed at length. As I expected the lawyer from the AHC said that a delay was needed. I pushed hard for no delay in implementing the new regulations. Danny Cooper is the best member of the AHC Directors. He would not go along with a long delay and with him pushing, me pushing, and actually the staff of the AHC pushing we were able to get the delay made short. On Feb. 15th there is going to be a special meeting of the AHC to approve the new regulations. If everything goes as we expect the new friendly regulations should be in effect by the end of March. The written public comments that everyone wrote in November and December were very good. 128 comments were received by the AHC. 87 were in support of the new regulations and the others had questions. They did not say that there were any comments that opposed the new regulations but I'm sure some were. Getting 128 written comments is incredable since probably less than one person out of a thousand who are concerned will actually take the time to write. I appreciate these people and thank them for their support of the public access to our state lands and waters. In Alabama this fight has been long and hard but we are winning more than we are losing. We must continue to be vigilant here and in other states.
Steve Phillips
www.ssdsupply.com
 

That's great news Steve! Keep up the fight, keep us posted and don't hesitate to tell us what we need to do to help.

Kent
 

Nice finds...what's the glass thing on the right? Part of an old lantern of some sort?

Hope you make headway. There's a lot of history being paved over or destroyed on a daily basis, with no allowances for people to look around and recover what they can. At Folly Beach here in SC, one particular Civil War encampment is washing into the ocean, and no detecting is allowed. The Museums have more buttons and bullets stored away in boxes than they will ever have time or space to catalogue and display....in fact, they don't recover these types of items "officially" anymore, because they don't have the money to process them.

That's why archeologists always have the best private collections... ;)
 

Keep up the good fight Steve, This Missourian supports your cause. Tsgman
 

I just read this post. Wish i would have read it sooner.

If there is anything that i can do in the future E-mail me please.

I'm a Treasure Hunter From Alabama who has Been trained in archeology.

Steve Keep up the good fight I support you.


Diamond Spike
 

SALUTE MY FREIND!!!
 

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