Need some help with this buckle

[Tony (NC)]

Can anyone tell me anything about this little "Mini" tongue I dug a couple weeks ago?

 

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[kuger]

Ahhhh,another anchor tongue.The true back ground on these is as inconclusive as the anchor buttons.There has been a great deal of discussion and research on my end but no solid leads.I have two types a cast brass,and a stamped brass.The stamped brass along with several other examples I know of came from strictly 1850 camps,on the left coast.The cast one is beleived to be later and possibly of British origins.

Now there is a similar one that shows a strong resemblance to yours that was found on a Spanish ship,from the 1700's,I will try to find it in my many book marks


Found it!!Wow looking at it again there is a striking resemblance there!!!Does your piece appear to be stamped or cast brass?

http://www.artifacts.org/Fleetpage.htm

 

[Iron Patch]

Ahhhh,another anchor tongue.The true back ground on these is as inconclusive as the anchor buttons.There has been a great deal of discussion and research on my end but no solid leads.I have two types a cast brass,and a stamped brass.The stamped brass along with several other examples I know of came from strictly 1850 camps,on the left coast.The cast one is beleived to be later and possibly of British origins.

Now there is a similar one that shows a strong resemblance to yours that was found on a Spanish ship,from the 1700's,I will try to find it in my many book marks


Found it!!Wow looking at it again there is a striking resemblance there!!!Does your piece appear to be stamped or cast brass?

http://www.artifacts.org/Fleetpage.htm

You beat me to it.... posting the Spanish page. I've seen two posted before.

 

[kuger]

Ahhhh,another anchor tongue.The true back ground on these is as inconclusive as the anchor buttons.There has been a great deal of discussion and research on my end but no solid leads.I have two types a cast brass,and a stamped brass.The stamped brass along with several other examples I know of came from strictly 1850 camps,on the left coast.The cast one is beleived to be later and possibly of British origins.

Now there is a similar one that shows a strong resemblance to yours that was found on a Spanish ship,from the 1700's,I will try to find it in my many book marks


Found it!!Wow looking at it again there is a striking resemblance there!!!Does your piece appear to be stamped or cast brass?

http://www.artifacts.org/Fleetpage.htm

You beat me to it.... posting the Spanish page. I've seen two posted before.


Gotta be quick to get that acorn I.P.
Really you have seen two exact examples as this one??I must have missed them,as this is a first for me.

 

[kuger]

Here is some other discussion on the anchors,I have a stamped brass example as well but it is different than the one in question

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,308887.msg2238569.html#msg2238569

 

[Iron Patch]

Ahhhh,another anchor tongue.The true back ground on these is as inconclusive as the anchor buttons.There has been a great deal of discussion and research on my end but no solid leads.I have two types a cast brass,and a stamped brass.The stamped brass along with several other examples I know of came from strictly 1850 camps,on the left coast.The cast one is beleived to be later and possibly of British origins.

Now there is a similar one that shows a strong resemblance to yours that was found on a Spanish ship,from the 1700's,I will try to find it in my many book marks


Found it!!Wow looking at it again there is a striking resemblance there!!!Does your piece appear to be stamped or cast brass?

http://www.artifacts.org/Fleetpage.htm

You beat me to it.... posting the Spanish page. I've seen two posted before.


Gotta be quick to get that acorn I.P.
Really you have seen two exact examples as this one??I must have missed them,as this is a first for me.

Not on this site, but I think were an exact match for the one of the Spanish page. One buckle was complete too.

 

[kuger]

Oh,O.K.Seems that now that you mention it,I have seen a complete one somewhere?Cant place where though

 

[Iron Patch]

Oh,O.K.Seems that now that you mention it,I have seen a complete one somewhere?Cant place where though

T.D. Relics forum.

 

[kuger]

Nope dont,wont go on that site Dont care for the owner

 

[Iron Patch]

Nope dont,wont go on that site Dont care for the owner

Agree. (and he was the one who posted the complete buckle)

 

[Tony (NC)]

TD Relic Forum? Sorry...I'll throw the buckle back first! Is this the link you guys are talking about?

It's at the bottum of the page. Someone else sent me the link.

http://www.artifacts.org/Fleetpage.htm

 

[Iron Patch]

TD Relic Forum? Sorry...I'll throw the buckle back first! Is this the link you guys are talking about?

It's at the bottum of the page. Someone else sent me the link.

http://www.artifacts.org/Fleetpage.htm

Yes that's it, same link as Kuger posted.

 

[Tony (NC)]

TD Relic Forum? Sorry...I'll throw the buckle back first! Is this the link you guys are talking about?

It's at the bottum of the page. Someone else sent me the link.

http://www.artifacts.org/Fleetpage.htm

Yes that's it, same link as Kuger posted.

WOW! Guess I'm due an eye exam....I overlooked that entire post! I'm having a hard time thinking it's that old. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Iron Patch]

TD Relic Forum? Sorry...I'll throw the buckle back first! Is this the link you guys are talking about?

It's at the bottum of the page. Someone else sent me the link.

http://www.artifacts.org/Fleetpage.htm

Yes that's it, same link as Kuger posted.

WOW! Guess I'm due an eye exam....I overlooked that entire post! I'm having a hard time thinking it's that old. Thanks for the feedback.

The style is pretty unique compared to other buckles, but unlike the ones I seen on the TD yours is not a perfect match. You should send your picture to John Powell on that site and see if he has ever seen one the same.


BTW... I believe your buckle is smaller than the one shown on the site. So it us obviously different, and different in several ways. Neat find though.

 

[Tony (NC)]

What are your thoughts on this?

Kuger...thanks for that Spanish link (Which I obviously overlooked) Check out the crown at the bottom of the page....


Now look at this button from the same site.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: What are your thoughts on this?

Kuger...thanks for that Spanish link (Which I obviously overlooked) Check out the crown at the bottom of the page....



Now look at this button from the same site.

Well you find the uniform that the button goes on and you're probably going to have your answer to the buckle. Now seeing the other piece of this puzzle your buckle is going to date later than the one shown on the website. That probably explains the difference in design.

 

[Tony (NC)]

I agree....

Kuger...thanks for that Spanish link (Which I obviously overlooked) Check out the crown at the bottom of the page....



Now look at this button from the same site.

Well you find the uniform that the button goes on and you're probably going to have your answer to the buckle. Now seeing the other piece of this puzzle your buckle is going to date later than the one shown on the website. (maybe mid. 1800s) That probably explains the difference in design.

I'm leaning toward Spanish Navy mid to late 1800's now. But that will have to wait......I'm off to the "Salt Mine" for the day. Thanks for your help Iron Patch (and Kuger).

 

[IronSpike]

Neat buckle and button

Here's a match to the button:

http://blujay.com/?page=ad&adid=2852895&cat=10100701

 

[kuger]

Great discussion guys,and I am glad to see that we are all from the same anti"L.C.",camp As stated there are so many slight differences with the anchor's,I would heed I.P.'s advice and contact the fellow mentioned.Also as stated that is crazy to have found that button there as well!,no back mark huh??That is going to be your best way to gleen info on the buckle I am sure.Awesome digs man!!