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[bsit1361]

K1lla77 found this but hes still in the process of movin. Asked me to put it up to see what you guys think. Found the same day as this hardaway.

 

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[bsit1361]

Anybody?

 

[Th3rty7]

If I had to put a type on it I'd say unfinished Brewerton preform, the size, shape, and thickness seem to fit. My second guess would be Badin, a thick triangular point found in our areas.


Tough crowd anymore huh.

 

[mcb66]

I agree. It looks like a preform.

 

[bsit1361]

thanks guys

 

[WV sifter]

Very nice hardaway,I just love the look of those early type points,kinda resembles a pine tree point,in which is one of my favorite type points

 

[bsit1361]

Thanks i love the hardaways too. Ive yet to find one here yet. Only one ive seen from around here is that 1. Its a beauty too. Would like to see some more like it if anybodys got em

 

[WV sifter]

Ive got a couple rough examples with that shape but no serrations ,they usually have a right hand bevel too.

 

[bsit1361]

Thanks wv

 

[Th3rty7]

Here's a few Hardaways. Even though a couple of my hunting spots contain Hardaway culture habitation they are still scarce. Most of the points I've found are small nearly exhausted examples like the last two. One of the better post-paleo flint pieces that I've seen from this area is a double fluted near first stage jasper Hardaway, it's a work of art and unfortunately not in my collection. Maybe one day.

 

[bsit1361]

That 1st stage peice in the next to last pic is beautiful. Is it jasper?

 

[WV sifter]

REAL nice hardaway style points 37

 

[bsit1361]

Are those last 2 used up points Rhyolite?

 

[Neanderthal]

Bsit, your point "could" arguably be called a Hardaway blade, if found in that context. But if simply a surface find on a multi-component site, there's no telling what it is (other than maybe a preform).

Coe named the Hardaway type and according to him were three different types at the Hardaway site. They were found at the deepest lvls (lvl 4), palmer was found at lvl 3 and kirk at Lvl2. The three types (as described by him) are the Hardaway Blade, Hardaway Dalton and Hardaway side-notch. Greenbrier, Nansemond and a few other "Dalton" variants are most likely morphed from the Hardaway and can be almost indistinguishable at times, area found should be a prime consideration when typing them. Unless found in direct context with Hardaway,it would be tough to distinguish Hardaway Blades from other early archaic blades or preforms. Being a preform, does it deserve to be called a separate type? Not in my opinion.

The Dalton-Hardaway, even though recognized at the Hardway site, is also erroneous. The Dalton culture doesn't seem to have a presence in that area; the same can be said for many other "Dalton" points in other areasl, I recently wrote an article about just that. Alamance points are the same as the "Hardaway-Dalton" and that name should be taken into consideration when examining points from that region.

 

[WV sifter]

Very well stated Neanderthal,there are many dalton variations and sub-types that look identical but called different names,I guess its a "regional" thing

 

[bsit1361]

Very infomative thanks alot and yes it was a suface find allready washed out of bank on the bay.