Need help with early wine bottle seal ID

[Bill D. (VA)]

Wish I could say that I found this one. But it was recently discovered by a friend of my buddy Stan in the low tide muck near an early colonial site. It's just an awesome looking specimen. We've been trying to ID the seal but have not had any luck yet. I was hoping that some of you familiar with this sort of thing just might happen to recognize this particular crest or coat of arms. Please chime in if you can help. Thanks!

 

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[vpnavy]

Until someone pipes in - I searched google and found other bottles with similiar configurations and they were identified as a Onion Wine Bottle. I can't tell on yours but the "crest" seems to be part of the bottle? The one's I found on the net were actually part of the bottle and were circa 1720 and up...

 

[cw0909]

a lot of those Onion Wine Bottles were personalized,folks with more $$,had the bottles blown and stamped
with seal, not sure the bottle was found in VA. i searched ( crests and seals 1700s virgina ) and found this
pdf of descriptions of seals crests
Virginia heraldica : being a registry of Virginia gentry entitled to coat armor, with genealogical notes of the families (1908)
Virginia heraldica : being a registry of Virginia gentry entitled to coat armor, with genealogical notes of the families : Crozier, William Armstrong, 1864-1913, ed : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[GpSnoopy]

Nice link BCY.

I found another that I thought had some great information.... Georgian Glassmakers Glass Bottles Information Gallery Page
The sidebar on the right gives you some choices for different information

One image from this site.....

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I removed the link when I realized there were not enough similarities in the seal.

 

[cw0909]

bill d could we get a img of the whole bottle,looking at some bottles im not sure yours is an onion bladder
could it be a shaft and globe, maybe determining the yr of the bottle could narrow down the seal id

http://www.georgianglassmakers.co.uk/pdffiles/shaftandglobe.pdf

i wasnt aware these bottles were still made cool link GpSnoopy
Georgian Glassmakers Glass Bottles Information Gallery Page

 

[Bill D. (VA)]

a lot of those Onion Wine Bottles were personalized,folks with more $$,had the bottles blown and stamped
with seal, not sure the bottle was found in VA. i searched ( crests and seals 1700s virgina ) and found this
pdf of descriptions of seals crests
Virginia heraldica : being a registry of Virginia gentry entitled to coat armor, with genealogical notes of the families (1908)
Virginia heraldica : being a registry of Virginia gentry entitled to coat armor, with genealogical notes of the families : Crozier, William Armstrong, 1864-1913, ed : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

That's an excellent link - thanks! It gives a detailed description of each name's family crest, but it would be nice if it also included an image. It was difficult to follow some of the language used in the crest descriptions, but its a good starting point. Thanks again.

 

[Bill D. (VA)]

bill d could we get a img of the whole bottle,looking at some bottles im not sure yours is an onion bladder
could it be a shaft and globe, maybe determining the yr of the bottle could narrow down the seal id

http://www.georgianglassmakers.co.uk/pdffiles/shaftandglobe.pdf

i wasnt aware these bottles were still made cool link GpSnoopy
Georgian Glassmakers Glass Bottles Information Gallery Page

That website is great - thanks! Love that bottle chronology section. I don't have any additional pics of the bottle to share, but its definitely an onion dating to c1700 give or take a few years. Definitely not shaft and globe although I have recovered several spouts from those style bottles at another site in that general area. If you get any other clues please pass along. Thanks again for your help.

 

[CRUSADER]

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[JMcMillan]

In case this hasn't been identified in the eight years since it was posted, the coat of arms on the bottle is that of the Lee family of Stratford and various other estates in Maryland and Virginia, blazoned in heraldic terms as "Gules a fess checky or and azure between eight billets argent" (a red field with a checkered yellow and blue horizontal band surrounded by silver oblong blocks). The crest above the shield is a squirrel cracking a hazelnut or acorn.