Need help on several New England finds

[gary s fl]

We just returned from the New England area. Most of the items were found NW of Boston. I'd like to know if the buckle, lead objects (musketballs?) and buttons might be from the colonial era. The IH pennies are for size reference. The round ball weighs 33.7 g, diameter varies between 5/8-3/4". The white cylindrical lead weighs 48 g, approx 5/8" dia and 3/4" long. Both were at least 8" deep. The buckle and buttons are brass or bronze.

All the other items are probably late 19th to early 20th century.
-'She Knows Her Onions' pin. Nothing came up on Google.
-The shorter rim fire cartridge has a slightly raised 'US' on the flat of the rim. The other cartridge has an 'H' on the flat of the rim. What are the calibers and approx age?
-Is the pointed bullet old? It has a double ridged bullet weighs 9.2 g and it hollowed out on the bottom.
-The small item in the upper left corner in the first picture is probably brass with a threaded end.
-The Eagle Pencil Company item was probably a gilded decorative end for a pencil. Question is: what do the greek looking letters and symbols stand for?
Thanks for the help

 

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[trikikiwi]

The lady who knows her onions is Sally Brown.
I imagine some smart 'onion marketing person', came up with the pin/badge, a little after 1926.
I think it is very cool and so is the soundtrack.
Scroll down to "She Knows Her Onions", here;

http://www.archive.org/details/BillyJonesErnestHare

Mike

 

[QUICKSILVER (appletree)]

Heres a link to a site that has some photos of Eagle Pencils, maybe they can help you! I do believe your pencil end is older than what they show in their gallery! <a href="http://www.pencilpages.com/main.htm"></a>

 

[Montana Jim]

I agree with quicksilver, but I think you eagle part could also be from a fountain pen... pre 1950s.

Some more pencil links.

http://www.lionandpen.com/Sterling/Eagle.html

http://www.brandnamepencils.com/brands/eagle/index.shtml

 

[Gypsy Heart]

The lady who knows her onions is Sally Brown.
I imagine some smart 'onion marketing person', came up with the pin/badge, a little after 1926.
I think it is very cool and so is the soundtrack.
Scroll down to "She Knows Her Onions", here;

http://www.archive.org/details/BillyJonesErnestHare

Mike

http://southernxyl.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_archive.html
Some notes on Sally Brown, who knows her onions.
The actual origin of the phrase "she knows her onions" isn't known. You run across it now and then but it seems to have appeared in the 1920's along with some other whimsical phrases. It simply means that Sally has common sense and knows what she's about.

"She's in a Ziegfeld show".

"She don't get out and walk" - Sally has no need to economize by getting off the bus or out of the taxi before it takes her all the way to where she's going.

"All she gets is forty per" - Forty cents per hour? Forty dollars per week? Don't know.

"You ought to see her lavalier

(Lavalier: (Negligee Pendant): A necklace with two pendants of unequal length suspended from it.)


"She stays out after 'leven, right in the city's whirl,
'Cause she believes that heaven protects the working girl".

"She hates finale hoppers."

(Young man who arrives after all bills are paid.)

and finally,

"She hardly ever dances with a collegiate sheik.
She don’t take any chances – she likes ‘em old and weak.
Never goes on auto dates
Without taking roller skates.
She’s a girl who knows her onions."


I once read an autobiography of Louise Brooks. Sadly, it appears to be out of print. It was funny and readable and had a lot of interesting stuff in it. Apparently in the '20's it was the thing for wealthy older men to pick out a girl, an actress or a chorus girl, to spend lots of money on. It gave him status among his peers if she could show up at nightclubs wearing very expensive furs and jewelry, and being driven in showy cars and so forth. Brooks said that, believe it or not, most of the time those relationships did not involve sex. You can see why the girls would try to keep it on that level if they could. For one thing, reliable birth control was not readily available. If the girl got pregnant, she couldn't keep working and she couldn't count on continued support from her sugar daddy. The law was not on her side in those days, and public opinion certainly wouldn't have been; not like now, when I'm faintly surprised whenever a pregnant celebrity turns out to be married. For another, these girls had to really guard their reputations because they were on a slippery slope anyway. If they were thought to really be prostitutes, they were one step away from standing on a street corner. (Think of Gigi, and how carefully her grandmama and Aunt Alicia guarded her reputation until a contract could be signed with Gaston to provide for her future.) So Sally Brown's perspicacity was revealed in the fact that she was never in a position where a man could compromise her. Apparently that meant giving up good-looking boyfriends her age, but it was a price she was willing to pay.

So it's a cute little piece, and I hope I haven't analyzed it to death. Where did I run across it? Well, that's another story.

 

[Mackaydon]

One source writes: "She knows her onions" is an English idiom which means she knows what she is talking about. That’s why they say in London, 'he knows his onions'.
This comes from C.T. Onions, author of the Oxford English Dictionary. When you master his dictionary, you are known to know your Onions.
(Source: http://www.iloiloviews.com/small-planters-are-new-heroes.html)

Then another source (The Phrase Finder) writes a more detailed, but contrary, opinion here:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/know-your-onions.html
Don....

 

[gary s fl]

Wow....great replies and links. I'm surprised at the amount on interest and info about the Sally Brown pin. I had found some links with Eagle Pencil Co examples but couldn't match this piece. From the detail at the top and the area it was found I'm guessing it's pre 1930, probably late 1800s. The Eagle Pencil Co has an interesting history and dates to 1856. I'd really like to know what the odd letters and symbols mean. Thank you again for your responses. Gary

 

[Angelo]

Gary, take a look at this link. This one may be it, or very close. Mechanical Pencil.

http://www.rubylane.com/shops/emcrownac/item/1208

Tony

 

[gary s fl]

Thanks Tony, The mechanical pencil in the link is very close to mine. The greek letters that I can make out are different and mine doesn't have USA after Co., other than that I think you nailed it. Gary

 

[Monty]

She looks a lot like Buster Brown the shoe kid. Monty

 

[Mackaydon]

Monty:
The difference is in which eye is blinking (or smarting from the onion).
Don.......