✅ SOLVED need help on 2 items

[mical66]

My son and I got out today for a couple hours after what feels like forever due to schedule problems, we went to a new yard and have no history on it , house is not that old maybe built in the early 1900's. we searched a small area and the rain started coming in so we quit with the few interesting finds we had. The 2 items I need help IDing and getting a time frame are these .
the first item looks like a newspaper printing piece , the script is backwards and looks like it has a eagle maybe on the top and there is a symbol I cant make out below what I think looks like a eagle, the watch company name is Waltham Watch company which was founded in 1850 and looks to be open under new name and owners now by MZ Berger and company.
what I need help on is time frame ? and any other cool info you guys can tell me.



Second item is a token , its in bad shape looks like it was hit with the lawn mower
it looks like it says INGLE on the front and system and I can make out 1oo which I take means $1.oo ?


I have used warm water and soap with a toothbrush to clean them , then put a little olive oil to highlight the detail , so any tips on how to clean them up better ?

 

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[idahotokens]

The Ingle token is part of a large series made by the Ingle company of Dayton, OH. Yes, it was the $1 token - merchants could get them made in 1¢ to $10 if they wanted. The name on the other side is the key - they sold their "Ingle System" of bookkeeping and these tokens to merchants all over the country. They have been well-studied and probably 95% of them have been attributed to a specific business in a specific location. Hopefully the part that has the name on the other side (obverse) is readable - even if you can just make out a few letters, let us know and we'll see what can be found.

And, since the first one is out of my realm, I can only guess, but it might be an advertisement to be printed in a newspaper - sent by the Waltham Watch company to a newspaper that still used individual pieces of type to set pages.

John in the Great 208

 

[mical66]

I was afraid I would need to post the pictures of the back,,, there in real bad shape but here they are.

 

[AU Seeker]

Use an inkpad and use the "printing plate" to produce a readable image of the text in the ad that can be searched for, this will help getting a date of the ad if the exact words are used in a search.

 

[AU Seeker]

You may also want to contact this museum, The Waltham Museum which is located in Waltham Massachusetts, they have a special section of the museum just for Waltham Watch Company, they maybe helpful in dating the plate.

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The Waltham Museum, Waltham MA

 

[mical66]

You may also want to contact this museum, The Waltham Museum which is located in Waltham Massachusetts, they have a special section of the museum just for Waltham Watch Company, they maybe helpful in dating the plate.

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The Waltham Museum, Waltham MA

nice ,, ty AUSeeker.
I actually did a rubbing of the print press, like I said earlier I knew it had to be a newspaper advertisement , I got a good idea of what it said , some words did not comeout no matter how many rubbings I did .Also it is a eagle on the top carrying a watch in its talons and it says The Walthams Watch CO under the eagle

The Waltham is Americas
Pioneer watch . Here and
abroad it is recognized as
the highest type of time-piece
we are headquarters for the

WALTHAM WATCH
Before you can make a watch
purchase -------? tell you how &
why you will get more for your
money.

 

[mical66]

ouch,,, looked at museum site,, they charge 20 - 100 dollars to ID things...lol

 

[AU Seeker]

After looking at the plate enlarged I think the missing 2 words are "..let us...".

After reading the ad I believe this is an advertisement for a merchant that sells Waltham Watches, not necessarily a Waltham Watch Company ad.

 

[AU Seeker]

ouch,,, looked at museum site,, they charge 20 - 100 dollars to ID things...lol

Ouch is is right, I didn't check to if they charged for IDing something, oh well, I thought they might be interested in the ad and would help on IDing it..

 

[Phil_The_Rodent]

The Waltham is America's
pioneer watch. Here and
abroad it is recognized as
the highest type of time-piece.
We are headquarters for the

Waltham Watch

Before you make a watch purchase
let us tell you how and why you
will get more for your money in a
Waltham. A full assortment of all
[grades]?


Waltham Watch company was called Waltham Watch Co. for 16 years from 1907 to 1923.
Waltham Watch Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[idahotokens]

Looks to me to be the Pure Food Gro. Co. which was attributed to Williamsburg, VA in Wagaman's Ingle Tokens book. He made the attribution using a 1920 R. G. Dun directory, but with a common-sounding name like that, he may have erred by stopping at the first listing he found. I'll contact the current Ingle expert and see if he can confirm the attribution. Shipping records for many of the Ingle tokens exist, so if the record shows tokens being shipped to somebody in Williamsburg, VA, then we can count on that being correct.
John in the Great 208

 

[idahotokens]

Okay, I just heard back from the current Ingle expert. The order of tokens ($1 is the only denomination known) were shipped in 1915 to Greeneville, TN, so you can disregard the VA attribution. So...since you are from G'ville, this token didn't make it too far from its home. That means there may be more where it came from, so keep swinging!

I don't have access to city directories from there (if they exist), but you might check at the T. Elmer Cox Library to see if they have anything from ca. 1915 that might show who owned the Pure Food Grocery and where it was located. Keep us posted if you find out!
John in the Great 208

 

[GpSnoopy]

I found the Waltham ad in a June 17, 1916 Cambridge Tribune newspaper for Colburne Jeweller.
Cambridge Tribune 17 June 1916 ? Cambridge Public Library-----

EDIT: If this plate is from a local publisher around the same time, I'd check newspaper archives for the Greenville Democrat.

 

[AU Seeker]

I found the Waltham ad in a June 17, 1916 Cambridge Tribune newspaper for Colburne Jeweller.
Cambridge Tribune 17 June 1916 ? Cambridge Public Library-----

EDIT: If this plate is from a local publisher around the same time, I'd check newspaper archives for the Greenville Democrat.

GREAT RESEARCH finding that ad GpSnoopy!!!

You either got very lucky doing a websearch or you had to do a lot of looking at old newspaper archives to find that, I came up empty on a websearch for the text and I looked at some newspaper archives yesterday but it was a daunting task to say the least to find the correct paper to look in and also the dateline to come up with finding that particular ad, either way you did a GREAT job!!!

Now that you've found the correct date of the ad it's possible to maybe find the ad in some other newspaper archives in other areas of the country!!!

It's possible that this is a generic ad from Waltham and the local retailer would add his name at the bottom.

Edit: The eagle holding a watch is the Waltham Watch Co. logo

 

[AU Seeker]

The Waltham is America's
pioneer watch. Here and
abroad it is recognized as
the highest type of time-piece.
We are headquarters for the

Waltham Watch

Before you make a watch purchase
let us tell you how and why you
will get more for your money in a
Waltham. A full assortment of all
[grades]?


Waltham Watch company was called Waltham Watch Co. for 16 years from 1907 to 1923.
Waltham Watch Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Phil great job getting the rest of the text, off of the image!!

 

[mical66]

WOW ,, I am totally blown away with how good you guys are ,,, thanks a lot .

 

[mical66]

I know this is solved but i wanted to update you guys some.
I talked with the VP of the local paper The Greeneville Sun , he told me how in 1916 his grandmother bought the greeneville sun which was 1 of 3 papers in our town , by 1920 she owned all 3 and made them all into 1,, the Greeneville Sun.
He was very interested in where i found the printing plate because he said they did not let people have or keep them , they always melted them down to reuse and whoever kept that was not supposed to ( he did not ask for it back and even wished em luck on future hunts )
he said the history on the old Pig Iron plates as he called it ,were that the customer that was wanting to advertise would send them a template of what they wanted to say and they had there own Craftsmen that would hand etch these plates .imagine doing that with text not only so small you could hardly see it but backwards at that.
so this makes me wonder how many of these plates are in existance today ?
just wanted to share that with you guys that looked so hard and found the ID on it for me.
Thanks again guys.

 

[AU Seeker]

I know this is solved but i wanted to update you guys some.
I talked with the VP of the local paper The Greeneville Sun , he told me how in 1916 his grandmother bought the greeneville sun which was 1 of 3 papers in our town , by 1920 she owned all 3 and made them all into 1,, the Greeneville Sun.
He was very interested in where i found the printing plate because he said they did not let people have or keep them , they always melted them down to reuse and whoever kept that was not supposed to ( he did not ask for it back and even wished em luck on future hunts )
he said the history on the old Pig Iron plates as he called it ,were that the customer that was wanting to advertise would send them a template of what they wanted to say and they had there own Craftsmen that would hand etch these plates .imagine doing that with text not only so small you could hardly see it but backwards at that.
so this makes me wonder how many of these plates are in existance today ?
just wanted to share that with you guys that looked so hard and found the ID on it for me.
Thanks again guys.

Interesting local history of how your find was made, I always like knowing stuff like that, thanks for sharing the story of the origins and how the plate was made!!!