Need help Dating finds and ID on a token.

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http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,85241.0.html

I did not want to double post...so here is the link.

 

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The token is a Hard Times token.

http://www.coin-newbies.com/articles/hard_times_tokens.html

http://www.hardtimestokens.com/ITaketheResponsibility.html

 

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thanks PBK.... any ideas on the ages of the other 2 items?

 

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Very nice relics! I would guess they date from the middle 1800's from the looks of them and the Hard Times Token.The HTT is listed with a couple different variations.It's from 1837 and comes in three different material make-ups,(lows 51)copper,(lows 171) copper-gilt and (lows 52) brass,with the copper gilt variety being the most valuable in terms of rarity. The figure on the obverse is Andrew Jackson with a sword in one hand and a "purse" of specie in the other.He is in a "safe" (treasure chest).Around the rim is "I Take The Responsibility"The obverse shows a mule with the initials "LLD" in the middle of him,and the word "Veto" under him.Around the rim it states "The Constitution As I Understand It" with "Roman Firmness" above the mule.You need to look real close at the obverse and see if you can see the letter "H" under the treasure safe.If there is no "H" then you have a reproduction that was probably issued around 1842 for political purposes,which is listed as lows 53.Hope this helps.

 

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That trigger guard appears to be from a British Brown Bess musket! The British land pattern musket (Brown Bess) was used for over 100 years,from 1722-1838.Later some were converted to percussion (from flintlock),and used even until the Mexican-American war 1846-1848. The star mark was probably filed or knifed on there by the soldier to find his musket from the rack of similar muskets.

 

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Very nice relics! I would guess they date from the middle 1800's from the looks of them and the Hard Times Token.The HTT is listed with a couple different variations.It's from 1837 and comes in three different material make-ups,(lows 51)copper,(lows 171) copper-gilt and (lows 52) brass,with the copper gilt variety being the most valuable in terms of rarity. The figure on the obverse is Andrew Jackson with a sword in one hand and a "purse" of specie in the other.He is in a "safe" (treasure chest).Around the rim is "I Take The Responsibility"The obverse shows a mule with the initials "LLD" in the middle of him,and the word "Veto" under him.Around the rim it states "The Constitution As I Understand It" with "Roman Firmness" above the mule.You need to look real close at the obverse and see if you can see the letter "H" under the treasure safe.If there is no "H" then you have a reproduction that was probably issued around 1842 for political purposes,which is listed as lows 53.Hope this helps.

I will take some close pics tomorrow when i take it out of the olive oil bath. Thanks for the heads up