Need bullet I.D. please - SOLVED

[ModernMiner]

Can one of you bullet experts tell me what kind of bullet this is?
Any idea how old it is?
It has "W C C 6 7" on the bottom.
Thanks,
MM

 

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[sasnz]

Re: Need bullet I.D. please

looks like a standard 9mm to me

 

[DD-777]

Re: Need bullet I.D. please

I think Catfish is right on - .45 ACP... 8)

 

[SomeGuy]

Re: Need bullet I.D. please

Definitely .45 ACP. Probably a reload though, as the bullet appears to be lead, not jacketed. Also appears to be seated too deep, which can happen when a round is repeatedly chambered in the pistol, but never fired.

 

[dkw]

Re: Need bullet I.D. please

The bullet itself is a 230 grain full metal jacketed projectile on which the metal jacket has disintegrated over time leaving the lead core behind. If you were to look straight down from the tip of the bullet in to the case you can probably see the jacket remaining inside of the case where it was more protected.

The cartridge as a whole is a .45 ACP made for the military by Western Cartridge Company(Winchester) in 1967.

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: Need bullet I.D. please

looks like a standard 9mm to me

That's what I was thinking too

 

[dkw]

Re: Need bullet I.D. please

looks like a standard 9mm to me

That's what I was thinking too

Without a measurement or knowing the size of the hand in the picture we don't know the size. The extractor groove gives us the answer. Although there are a few exceptions, most .45 ACP and 9x19 cartridges will look like the ones in the picture below. From left to right, .45 ACP---.40 S&W---9x19. The extractor groove on the .45 has a long taper from the body. The 9mm has a very short taper. The .40 is almost the love child of the two by falling right in between on taper.

 

[willie d]

Re: Need bullet I.D. please

My guess is .45 ACP. I don't think our guys had 9mm in 1967.

The bullet itself is a 230 grain full metal jacketed projectile on which the metal jacket has disintegrated over time leaving the lead core behind. If you were to look straight down from the tip of the bullet in to the case you can probably see the jacket remaining inside of the case where it was more protected.

The cartridge as a whole is a .45 ACP made for the military by Western Cartridge Company(Winchester) in 1967.

I concur

 

[ModernMiner]

Re: Need bullet I.D. please

My guess is .45 ACP. I don't think our guys had 9mm in 1967.

Thanks Catfish.
-MM-

looks like a standard 9mm to me

That's what I was thinking too

Without a measurement or knowing the size of the hand in the picture we don't know the size. The extractor groove gives us the answer. Although there are a few exceptions, most .45 ACP and 9x19 cartridges will look like the ones in the picture below. From left to right, .45 ACP---.40 S&W---9x19. The extractor groove on the .45 has a long taper from the body. The 9mm has a very short taper. The .40 is almost the love child of the two by falling right in between on taper.

Thanks DKW.
Man, you know your stuff. If would have been a Red Ryder BB, I could of figured it out, but beyond that I'm lost.
Thanks so much for the info and photo. That's another educational bit of info I learned here on TN.
-MM-

 

[Monty]

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I agree it's a .45 ACP. but I am wondering about the deteriorated jacket theory. I have shot thousands of .45 ACPs in my lifetime and right now I can go and dig some out of the berm at my gun club and not find one bullet that is corroded like that. Some of them have been there since the 1950s. But, I guess some strange conditions could be just right for corrosion and , oh well? Monty

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Need bullet I.D. please

The bullet itself is a 230 grain full metal jacketed projectile on which the metal jacket has disintegrated over time leaving the lead core behind. If you were to look straight down from the tip of the bullet in to the case you can probably see the jacket remaining inside of the case where it was more protected.

The cartridge as a whole is a .45 ACP made for the military by Western Cartridge Company(Winchester) in 1967.

this tells it all

 

[kenley]

Hey guys..that's a reload. .45 ACP with 200gr. semi-wadcutted bullet. It's loaded too deep, or wasn't crimped enough and the projectial was forced back into the brass when it tried to chamber. Since .45 ACP head spaces on the case mouth ..it was probably too far foreward in the chamber for the firing pin to strike the primer. I load approx. 300 of these a week and mold my own bullets.(just like that one) Over all length (OAL) shoud be 1.125. However 1.171 works fine in my target 1911.