Need a little help to authenticate a cs buckle

[gunner45]

A local guy Is selling some great finds he has made over the years and I came across the 2 items I'm just not sure about. As far as the cs buckle I just want to make sure it's the real deal and hopefully a value in it.
The 2nd one is quite amazing, I believe it to be an axe head of some kind but must admit I don't know much about it. It's about 5 inches in length and very smooth.
I haven't bought them yet and I want to make a fair offer.
Thank

 

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[pippinwhitepaws]

is there a cross hole drilled on the hatchet? is it a ceremonial pipe?

what part of the earth are these from?

 

[gunner45]

is there a cross hole drilled on the hatchet? is it a ceremonial pipe? what part of the earth are these from?

There is a hole all the way through. I was thinking it to be an axe head

 

[HutSiteDigger]

This two piece is shown here CIVIL WAR BUCKLES PAGE 3 on Gary Williams "Hanover Brass" page. Are you familiar with Gary Williams?

 

[CC Hunter]

The CS buckle is a recent cast reproduction.

Value = about $30.



CC Hunter

 

[gunner45]

The CS buckle is a recent cast reproduction. Value = about $30. CC Hunter

Thank you for confirming that, I was sure it was but wanted to get some one else's opinion
I appreciate it.

 

[gunner45]

Any opinions on the stone?

 

[SCDigginWithAK]

Any opinions on the stone?

I honestly wouldn't buy it since the other is a fake. That is from many past experiences. I've bought "authentic" (they were fakes) from one guy. I nudged it off and accidently bought more. I have done that with 2 different people. In other words his others may be fake. I've learned now. I would suggest not buying it but that's my opinion.

 

[cheese]

Looks scary to me... with the fake buckle being sold as something he found... shows he is a liar, right? (unless he "found" it in the trash, or at a yard sale or flea market). The stone piece doesn't look right. It looks like someone with low skill tried to make an item of high quality, out of their range of ability. It looks like someone put a lot of work into making it, but just couldn't get the symmetry down. When indians built ceremonial items, they usually did it up right, not halfway. Also, the stone looks like it would be inappropriate for the item. Looks like some sort of conglomerate soft stuff that would be easily broken. It looks like someone made halfting grooves on it. I don't see why an indian would have done that, as normal halfting did the trick quite well for thousands of years. I also don't recall seeing any like that on any other pieces. You might get a better idea by looking at the pattern of the drill marks in the hole and work marks on the exterior, but I suspect it's a fake.

 

[HutSiteDigger]

Looks scary to me... with the fake buckle being sold as something he found... shows he is a liar, right? (unless he "found" it in the trash, or at a yard sale or flea market). The stone piece doesn't look right. It looks like someone with low skill tried to make an item of high quality, out of their range of ability. It looks like someone put a lot of work into making it, but just couldn't get the symmetry down. When indians built ceremonial items, they usually did it up right, not halfway. Also, the stone looks like it would be inappropriate for the item. Looks like some sort of conglomerate soft stuff that would be easily broken. It looks like someone made halfting grooves on it. I don't see why an indian would have done that, as normal halfting did the trick quite well for thousands of years. I also don't recall seeing any like that on any other pieces. You might get a better idea by looking at the pattern of the drill marks in the hole and work marks on the exterior, but I suspect it's a fake.

That someone is "Gary Williams" if you are not familiar with him please do some research on him... His fake buckles will scare the living bejesus outta you.

 

[CC Hunter]

HutSiteDigger,

According to how that paragraph was written, "someone with low skill" comes right after the sentence remarking about the stone piece. Hence, "someone" would theoretically refer to the maker of the stone piece, rather than the buckle mentioned prior to that.

Gary Williams indeed does remarkable work, and his skill is certainly not in question here.

Also, since Gary Williams' buckles are made and clearly marketed as Reproductions, the term "fake" is not correct. Fakes items are meant to decieve. There are certainly a vast number of fake items on the market, and some of Gary Williams' buckles have undoubtedley been turned into fakes by unscrupulous characters. However, to say that anyone in a legitimate business makes fakes, can be misleading and slanderous.


CC Hunter

 

[HutSiteDigger]

Yah i was just about to edit that and put "reproduction" instead of "fakes" but hey - thanks for the clarification and if Gary Williams comes across this post sometime in the future I just want to say - I think you do a good job on the reproductions...

 

[cheese]

Correct, I'm talking about the stone piece. Gary Williams has a reputation for making high quality reproductions that often fool the best of the best, not low skill and quality. That's not my area of expertise though.