Need a little help on an ID

[d2]

My BIL and I have dug for points for years and have came up with our own terminology. CAF(cheap a$$ flint) for points made from pebble chert, AISL(all important second layer) two shovels deep, his favorite. AITL(all important third layer) 3 shovels deep,my favorite and the worst is an OSR(oh shat racket). While digging in the river bottoms of southern Arkansas, between the 3rd and 4th layer, he was useing the shovel and throwing dirt onto the sifter. He digs till I find something then we trade out then I dig and he sifts. Anyway he is digging and I hear an OSR and this was thrown into the screen. I have thought for years, it was found about 15 years ago, that is a first view. Has anyone got any better guesses? It is made from great flint and the flaking is wondermous and goes almost all the across in some places. I hope the pictures work...d2

 

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[bsit1361]

Dalton?

 

[d2]

I dont think it's a Dalton, I have several of those...d2

 

[John G. Scoggins]

I would have to go with Plainview on that one.Did yall find anymore Paleo points where it came from?

 

[d2]

All we found that day was deep and all Paleo. I do so love the old stuff. I was torn between firstview and plainview. I wish we hadnt of broke it. Thanks...d2

 

[Rege-PA]

Hi...look at Browns Valley...Flaking usually crosses point, has similar shape and is paleo. Not too common anywhere.

 

[Adena_man]

Very nice no matter what. Looks like some super glue will come in handy.

 

[d2]

Thanks guys. I just noticed 37's avatar and it looks a lot like that one, what ever it is. Now I know what it looked like befor the BIL hit it with the shovel...d2

 

[Neanderthal]

It's a stemmed point that has been resharpened heavily. When I first looked at it I thought Scottsbluff. However, after seeing what appears to be small serrations and noticing a few other details, I'm more inclined to think Searcy related or something else. Could be what I tentatively refer to as "Scottland", they are like a cross between a Scottsbluff and Holland point. Does it have any beveling?

 

[d2]

No beveling like on a Hardin but there is a ridge running down the middle of it...d2

 

[badandy]

Plainview, with classic Plano Convex flaking style, mo!

badandy

 

[chong2]

on the second pic it looks like it has that triangle "envelope" thinning, you can see here http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,285704.html 3/4 way down the page you can see it more throughly

 

[Buckhunter]

Is the base ground? Looks daltonish to me, all points have their little differences. still a cool find!!!!

 

[d2]

Thanks for all the help gents. I will go with plainview oh how I wanted it to be a firstview. Maybe next time...d2

 

[Neanderthal]

No beveling like on a Hardin but there is a ridge running down the middle of it...d2

Searcy typically bevel when resharpened, so maybe it IS a "Scottland". It does appear that it is a stemmed point, and not another type of lanceolate. It's easy to confuse them with other point styles when they've experienced blade width loss.

 

[badandy]

Plainview

badandy

 

[11KBP]

It's a stemmed point that has been resharpened heavily.

I agree with Neanderthal, this piece has seen extensive resharpening. Before the resharpening removed most all of the shoulders this was a stemmed point. The small projection seen on one side of the base is the remnant of a shoulder. This projection suggests that the blade was wider than the hafting area (stem).

Plainviews are parallel sided and there is no way a portion of the blade will be wider than the hafting area. This piece is most likely either from the Cody Complex or is a Holland.

11KBP