Near Bust for Buttons (Trespassing blog added; Reply #11) )

tigerbeetle

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Jan 2, 2009
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Jersey Shore
Detector(s) used
Many -- Fisher, White's, Minelab, Cobra, others
Primary Interest:
Metal Detecting
Double Dose of GW Treasure:

The police were gone. And it had been a real close call.

Two officers in a shiny new cruiser had all too slowly driven by the spot where I was hiding in deep bush -- so close to the road I could smell the cruiser’s exhaust. The odds were against them seeing me in my Nam-era camo but I wasn’t taking any chances. I was flat against the ground and flush to the base of the largest tree I could find in an area of thick but skinny shrubbery. My face was flat against the ground. I ever so lightly rubbed it into the soil to remove any shine, just in case the officers decided to stop to look for the guy the crazy lady in the nearby house had called them about. I was nervously wondering if any of the aftershave I had worn to work earlier in the day might still be wafting around when I realized the danger had inched on, toward a nearby stop sign.

Lying there, I watched as the threat suddenly accelerated off at high speed, likely responding to a report that Dunkin’ Donuts had just put their day-old items out at a reduced price.

I then had to contend with the option of further continuing my detecting of the area or bolting for my truck, parked a solid half mile away – a ploy to divert attention from my target area. Sadly, my parking ploy had gone awry when I opted to walk a goodly distance on the road toward where I wanted to hunt, passing Lady McNuts house along the way. I found out later she was five cans short of a six-pack. She had called the police on me, as she apparently does in response to virtually anyone she sees, thus the officers’ reluctance to search the area very long.

As I slowly rose, post-police, staying or leaving was a brutally hard choice due to what lay deep within the pocket of my button-top military pants. Only half an hour earlier, treasure hunting lightning had struck – then struck again. In back-to-back readings, I uncovered two identical Washington inaugural buttons, vest variety. Being a Federal Period aficionado, these were holy-grail grade finds.

On digging them, I had gone into a lather fully convinced there were surely matching buttons nearby. I knew those buttons came something like 5 to a vest, -- at least that was the educated guess of historians, since data on such inaugural relics was bare bones.

Somewhat typically, no sooner had I located the second button than I heard the first of my machine’s warning beeps, indicating my batteries were running low. No problem. I always carry extras in my backpack. Big problem. I had left the bloody pack back in the truck. Dumb ***!

Knowing I still had some time left in the bleepin’ beepin’ batteries, I did exactly what you don’t want to do in such a situation: I began frantic-hunting. Kiss of death. As all detectorists know, a great digging day is marked by becoming one with the machine and the cosmos, so to speak. A certain rhythm is found and a relaxed attentiveness sets in. Nothing is better than getting on a TH’ing roll – confident that if it’s there you can find it. That had been my mindset before the fabu-finds got me to lathering -- and those low-battery beeps turned up pressure. I lost it, getting angry that I wasn’t hitting any good readings – after 60 seconds of hunting. Then the cops came.

Let me note here that I was not trespassing. You heard right. I was fully within my legal right. Oh, I’m not saying someone didn’t own the land. Hey, every piece of land on the planet is owned– admittedly, not by me. The thing was this property was fully un-posted.

New Jersey law is amazingly rigid on such things. If you expect people to stay off your land in the Garden State, said property must have regularly placed signs, dated and authorized by the owner, annually. Such signs must be on objects owned by the proprietor of the land. Telephone poles are NOT legal repositories for “No Trespassing” signs. Such misplaced signs are null and void, per the law.

Now, many states are not so lenient. Detectorists have to do meticulous homework or face the music. But, in my case, that day I was on solid legal ground – and flat against the ground, pushing my head into the soil And for good reason. While the cops couldn’t bust me for trespassing, they could easily dub me a disorderly person, a blanket violation that covers anything they want.

And even that disorderly thing wouldn’t have scared me if I weren’t in a paranoid “They’re mine!” inaugural button-finding mode. All I could picture was a command of, “Empty your pockets, sir.” And on the hood of the cop car, my newly beloved inaugural buttons would be up for grabs. Yeah, as if the police would see dirty round things and suddenly blurt out, “Oh, my god, Washington Inaugural buttons! Let me see your hands, mister!”

Still, I think most TH’ers know of that instant paranoia after finding a biggy. It got the best of me that day. Not only did I opt to head back to my truck but I moronically chose to do it through the thickest woods known to man, bogging down no less a dozen times to where I began seeing tomorrow’s headline in the Press: “Crazy Man in Camo Found Dead in Quicksand,” with a subhead, ‘Incredible Inaugural Buttons Found in Pocket.”

“I knew he was up to no good,” a crazy woman who lived nearby told the Press.

Here are my finds. I’ve yet to go back to look for their brethren. The land is now perfectly posted. Legal as all get-out.

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Re: Near Bust for Washington Vest Buttons

Man, is that Rosie sweet! As far as those other things go, why are you even writing this post, when you should be at that site?! Go, go! now! And keep us posted when you dig the third!
 

Re: Near Bust for Washington Vest Buttons

Very nice and clean !!

Shall we wait for a set of 5 in your next post ?

Thanks for sharing, Digman
 

Re: Near Bust for Washington Vest Buttons

"un-posted land," and yet you were hunting it at Night and had the cops called on you? Hmmmm.
 

Re: Near Bust for Washington Vest Buttons

It wasn't at night at all. Midday, as I recall. Galloway Twp. NJ.
I have tried night hunts but they're too freaky.
 

Re: Near Bust for Washington Vest Buttons

Great story! :D
 

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Maybe you should just ask Mrs. crabstein if you could hunt the land? Great buttons!!!! Had a nut in my area that would look at night ,and wear a big black plastic garbage bag to hide and get under peoples houses. He found a great washington button with the eagle, and went to jail not long after....Good luck :wink:
 

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That is the strangest law I have heard in a long time. So if I live in NJ and do not post my front lawn with No Trespassing signs anyone can detect there...strange indeed.

Nice buttons.
 

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romeo-1 said:
That is the strangest law I have heard in a long time. So if I live in NJ and do not post my front lawn with No Trespassing signs anyone can detect there...strange indeed.

Nice buttons.

I think I'm moving to NJ :D
 

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i never had a NJ home owner tell no ,i cant hunt there area . i go as so far as find out who owns the area , and get hold of them , theres nothing a six pack or bottle of wine cant solve . as to a yes to hunt a area . today i went as far as to to talk to the home owner and was told his old man fell in the gargen 2 years ago and lost his ring that meant the world to him. well to tell you it took me 5 minutes to find the ring . i felt awesome ......but don't get me wrong i have been told 'no' before . but you seem to go balls to the wall on a hunt , but hey your finds are some of my dreams . i like your posts and the drama that goes with them . i would just hate for you to get busted and ruin it for other nj hunters .........pine
 

Re: Near Bust for Washington Vest Buttons

Yards and recognized property border are quite safe from trespassers in New Jersey – as I'm sure most folks realize.

The strict private property posting laws in NJ are to assure residents the freedom to access unposted natural areas. It frees up those wanting to hunt, fish, hike, mountain bike, nature watch, metal detect 
 to appreciate the entire "outback" experience.

At the same time, the laws in no way deter property owners from properly posting their land. It’s simply mandatory that they do so. After such proper postings, the state also has some of the strictest laws against trespassing -- for those disobeying properly posted property.

The alternative to requiring the posting of private property? Scary. All Americans must assume that every square inch of property – outside their own -- is off limits and trespassing on same can lead to arrest and prosecution. Doesn’t sound very American, does it?

In my 4 decades of TH'ing, I have been "busted" more times than I can count. Some incidents included having weapons pointed at me. Many incidents involved people who actually didn't even own the land but were either up to no good or were trying to exclude others from prime (deer) hunting zones. I have NEVER once been prosecuted. Repeat: Never once. I simply know the laws inside out and stay within them

One quick point: Being verbally advised that land is private constitutes a legal representation on the owner's part. You are thereafter culpable should you reenter the area. That is yet another way property owners can legally exert their powers of ownership. The threatening of deadly force – or the brandishing of a weapon – when asserting one’s property rights is a potential felony, punishable by up to ten years imprisonment.

Personally, I have NEVER trespassed on properly posted land without gaining permission. That's doubly important for me because I was among a group that urged our legislature to enact stricter posting laws. We succeeded amazingly well and the public appreciation, particularly from outdoors folks, was through the ceiling.

Freedom to access wooded areas lacking signage is a huge "American" issue for me. I know that sounds like a lot of drama but I'm a fanatic outdoorsman, mountain biker, fisherman and tracker, so virtually everything I love to do would be all but ruined by the concept that I have no right to go anywhere without seeking permission. And how do I ask permission to go on land when there are no signs to indicate who even owns the property??? Property boundary signs in NJ must have the owner's name and telephone number, so the system also works for those wanting to go the ask-permission route. Works for me.

I fully know the state and national park concept, as in: only go there (despite many of them prohibiting detecting). Admittedly, they are great places but tell me you can recognize when you've reached the borders of a park while exploring in the middle of nowhere. It’s impossible. Where is the justice if I accidentally take a backwood hike and venture out of the park and onto adjacent privately owned unposted land. Technically, I'm liable to arrest? That’s brutal. That very issue came up in legislative hearings.

That same confusion over property lines can even be applied to areas where you've just gotten permission to hunt. You drift into unmarked adjacent land and the owner of that land can literally grab you (technically "detain" you) for prosecution? Something is wrong there.

Legal oddity: NJ has amazingly lax (my thinking) posting requirements for its own parks, which includes huge zones within the state's 1.4 million acre Pinelands Preserve area. The state need only place generic unsigned "State Park" signs at road or pathway intersections. You can travel miles and miles on roads and trails within parks and never see a sign. I have to admit that's a bit incongruous when you look at what private land owners must do, legally, to post their property.

I'd be remiss in not noting that I most often come to very amenable solutions when involved in property conflicts. I ALWAYS apologize when confronted by a rightful land owner and agree to immediately move on -- though I do ask where the property lines are. Even in retreat, I refuse to back down from utilizing the freedoms offered me by state law.

I notice in this website that many other TH'ers in many other states are in pitched battles to either save their TH'ing rights or establish new ones. Hey, that's the American system to me. By the same token, if you land owners feel you've been slighted, get out there and fight the good fight. Let the courts or the legislature decide.

(By the by, numerous other states, Pennsylvania for one, have similar posting laws to those in NJ. Also, farms are given some posting concessions in all states.)
 

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