"Name That Firearm!" - If You Please ***SOLVED***

[Clay Lindsey]

"Name That Firearm!" - If You Please ***SOLVED***

All,

Recently I posted a photo of a .22 caliber cartridge, of which, you all have been most gracious in providing me with feedback. Between the feedback recieved from Mrs. Breezie and future information from a representative of the Remington Arms Historical Department, I hope to find out more. But this was only the beginning... After hours of hacking away at the computer, yearning to discover the cartridges origins, I began wondering about what blessed model weapon could have fired and expended it, only for me to find it later. This is the only thing I know: The firing pin was circular in type (shown in photo on right). In speculating that the cartridge was produced prior to Remington's takeover of Peters, I began to formulate a list of possible weapons. The trick for me has been (since unknowledgable) to find out which models had a .22 caliber variant in addition to having a circular firing pin. Needless to say, my head is full and I would like to prefer this question to the experts. In realizing my habit for requests are falling into the category of "tall orders", please except my apologies in advance. At least it is not 2" by 2" and has 15 teeth, made of aluminum. Not this time anyway. Thank you.

Clay

 

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[Charlie P. (NY)]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please

A .22 rifle or pistol with a round firing pin or round hammer pin from present to as old as the Peters Company headstamp (1887 to present). Hmmmm. That narrows it down to about 1,500 possible models (the rest having a rectagonal pin striker profile). I know it is not a Remington Model 12 but it could be a Winchester Model 62 (or the Rossi clone), a Ruger .22 Super Single-six or a Colt Ace or conversion unit. Also a Contender Pistol with .22 barrel.

1,495 to go.

 

[kuger]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please

Now thats the tallest of tall orders.I will be impressed if this one can be solved

 

[Clay Lindsey]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please

Thank you for such immediate responses. I know I am asking a lot. Thank you for your efforts in lieu of that.

Clay

 

[Monty]

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Seems to me I was kinda' chastised for saying it was a Remington-Peters case in another thread. Has there been perhaps a revelation of sorts since then? May I now hold my head up high once again and stop moping in the corner like a stepchild?
M nty

 

[Clay Lindsey]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please

Did I chastise? I hope I didn't. Actually Sir this would to your credit and most certainly to my benefit. If it were not for your suggestion, would surely be the pouty one. Thank you for your help.

Clay

 

[warsawdaddy]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please

Remington 550-1 is another possibility.1494 to go

 

[Clay Lindsey]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please

Whether I should/shouldn't have, I cleaned up the old casing by using lemon juice and salt. The firing pin "strike" is not as clear, but is still noticable. I had also discovered, in my continuing research, that "drawn-copper" was the norm for casings until technology improved enough to allow for brass to be used in the 1880's? If this can be validated, then the list of possible firearms can be potentially reduced provided the "pink-ish" tone of the cartridge is proof of drawn copper. Thanks.

Clay

 

[DCMatt]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please

Pardon my intrusion on this thread as I am not a firearms guy, but to what is the point of this exercise? You seem to know what the item is and have a relatively good idea of it's age.

Are you attempting to prove or disprove something? Is this a valuable item? A prized family heirloom?

Your question sounds a little like "Who drank the beer that this old pull tab come from?"

I'm curious what you hope to gain by identifying the type of gun that fired this cartridge?

DCMatt

 

[Clay Lindsey]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please

DCMatt,

Quite simply. I don't know the answer and I would like to know the answer. I understand and respect your position. And if participation in these threads were mandatory, I most certainly would think twice about the question I am choosing to ask. But it is because of the wealth of available knowledge in this forum that I ever so humbly ask for assistance in the identity of the contributing object. The answer will most definately allow for the furtherance in my education on the rich history of the location in which I have chosen to live. Something all should strive for. Thank you for your time and patience.

Clay

 

[l.cutler]

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Wow, this just isn't going to happen. The firing pin is a weak part in a firearm, and frequently break. My father was a gunsmith, and he didn't get replacement pins. He would just make one out of an old nail or whatever was handy. I am sure thousands of others did this as well. Even going on those that originally had round firing pins would be impossible, add this to the mix and forget it!

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please

Whether I should/shouldn't have, I cleaned up the old casing by using lemon juice and salt.

Well, now you've destroyed any DNA so we might not be able to discover the individual who loaded it at the factory or who eventually fired it; and the powder residue is gone so the batch number of that lot of powder may be lost forever, too.

Was this found beside a skeleton?

I can point you to several spots where you can find thousands of those from the 1870's to present if you need more.

Pink is evidence of a copper content. All brass and bronze has that. It will eventually pick up a green patina, especially if near salts (as found in leather).

Here is a treat for you: an unfired 60 year old Peters case: Value? Probably less than a Wheaty of the same age. Now the box it came in . . . THAT would be worth $5.

 

[Clay Lindsey]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please

Thank you to all for your input. I guess I never realized the possibility of exactly how daunting this task would prove to be. I though it would be difficult, sure. So in taking all of your postings into consideration, I'll mark this as solved and sideline it until I can bring more conclusive evidence to the table. Until then, thank you again for taking the time.

Clay

 

[Kiros32]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please

Thank you to all for your input. I guess I never realized the possibility of exactly how daunting this task would prove to be. I though it would be difficult, sure. So in taking all of your postings into consideration, I'll mark this as solved and sideline it until I can bring more conclusive evidence to the table. Until then, thank you again for taking the time.

Clay

All "conclusive evidence" was lost when you decided to cook it in lemon juice.

 

[Clay Lindsey]

Re: "Name That Firearm!" - If You Please ***SOLVED***

Fair enough... Retract and revise...

"...Until I can find outside supporting evidence used for the further possible resolution of the initial question."

Clay