Mystery Passport-Need Geneology Help

[mojjax]

We found this passport in the abandoned house located in our back yard . I thought it would be easy finding info on her , since we have name /date of birth , etc.
We can't find anything . We do know she once owned our property , but she had a different last name . Our deed lists her a Marie Louise Francke - when she sold a small parcel back in 1950 .

We subscribe to the "free" version of Ancestry.com which hasn't been much help .

The passport was issued in 1923 , when she was 45 years old . She was born Sept. 5 1878 in New York City . The prior owner of our farm said that he heard that she may have been a Floradora Girl when she was young . I searched Floradora sites - with no luck . Wiki says the girls were all 5 foot four , The passport says Marie Louise was 5' 10" ........ so I'm not sure on the Flora connection ( maybe she was a makeup artist , set designer ?) It may be possible that she was married twice , so the lack of her Maiden name is why I cant find any info ?

Glendon , Maine is the "Old " name for the town we live in .

My questions :
When did she die ?
Where is she buried ?
Who was her Husband(s)
Occupation ?

She visited France , according to the Visa stamp . Ron & Ann ........?........We need you !

mojjax

 

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[Lora the Explorer]

Hi Mojjax,
Do you have a county library near by? Maybe they have a plat map from the 1940's or 50's which would show the owner's name. Maybe your county clerk or Assessor's Office could look up the land records for your property. Just a thought. Good Luck in your quest...

Laura

 

[Thomas007]

Hi Mojjax

Could not easily find Marie's maiden name. Her parents were both born in Pennsylvania.

She divorced her first husband.

Could not find out second husband's Mr. Francke's first name.

There is a Medical Doctor named Marie-Louise Francke who lives in Encino, California ... May be a namesake for it has the dash in Marie-Louise too

Note: the birth date on the passport is wrong by one month... it should be October.. not September

There were always servants for this lady... cooks, chauffeurs, etc... so there is some money here someplace. her first husband was a lot older than she. I would carefully check your house and land for hidden goodies.

Maybe you could trace down Raymond Piercey descendants there in Maine!!!

The endnotes contain the references.

Maybe could have found more if more time was invested.

HH

Sanat

Descendants of Marie-Louise Embree


Generation No. 1

1. MARIE-LOUISE1 EMBREE was born 05 Oct 1878 in New York City, New York. She married (1) FRANK LARRY "FLORENCE" EMBREE 07 Nov 1899 in New York City, New York. He was born Dec 1863 in New York, and died Apr 1923. She married (2) UNK FRANCKE. He was born Abt. 1870.

Child of MARIE-LOUISE EMBREE and FRANK EMBREE is:
i. LOIS O2 EMBREE, b. Abt. 1901, New Hamphire; m. RAYMOND PIERCEY, 1924; b. 1899, New York1.

More About RAYMOND PIERCEY:
Residence: 1930, Nobleboro, Lincoln, Maine1



Endnotes

1. Ancestry.com, 1930 United States Federal Census, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2002, Online publication - Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2002.Original data - United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Fifteenth Census of the United States, 1930. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1930.T626, 2,667 rolls. Nobleboro, Lincoln, Maine, ED 12, roll 835, page , image 824.0.

 

[mojjax]

Thanks , Sanat ! I found stacks of Kennel Club books in the barn that have Ray Piercey's name on them , they are dated from the 40's . I also found this dog collar with his name on it . Never realized he was her son . Now that I re-look at the birth date , it does say Oct. . the loop from the word above it made me think it was Sept .
So far I've found lots of nice old coins around the property - but I haven't found the "mother load" yet

we found some very old photo albums full of cvd's and tintypes - with the names Perot , Corbit , Ogden , Lovering , Wharton , Bowman . Maybe one of them is her Maiden name . We have found lots of info on some of these people - and yes they were filthy rich . When we first moved here I found a family tree that was all torn up , I carefully picked up all the pieces and put them in a large mailing tube , thinking I would some day tape It back together . It had been in a large frame that was smashed and stomped on by vandals . Now I can't find where I stored it , but Its around here somewhere .
Thank You so much for the info !!!
mojjax

 

[River Rat]

This post is very interesting...I kinda searched around the www too, finding the Marie-Louise Francke in CA. This was before Sanat chimed in with his searching. I will keep checking back to see if any new results have been posted. Great find, Mojax and good luck. I'm sure Ann will be checking in shortly...she always has a wealth of information on genealogy research.

RR

 

[Thomas007]

Hi Mojjax

Ray Piercey was the "son-in-law". Her daughter was named Lois O... so maybe Marie's maiden name was Ogden since it is not unusual to give the daughter's middle name as the mother's maiden name.

I tenatively tried all six surnames that you gave me and after cursory inspection none seem to be right... usually a census will pull up someone and none did except for two Mary Corbits... whose parents for both of these Mary's were born in Ireland.

Marie's parents were both born in Pennsylvania.

If you get a idea of her surname then either PM, Email or post here ands i will try it to see if it fits. Only takes a few minutes and if it helps you then i have done my purpose.

HH

Sanat

 

[mojjax]

Thanks again Sanat - I just found this link :

http://books.google.com/books?id=vs...CB0Qr-F&sig=pMK-M_37ow4rFyTcpYf8EWyWO_Y&hl=en

Page 200 , 201

 

[mojjax]

Here are some pics from the album - you can see they were quite distinguished looking people . The photos had been "colorized" . Some look like tiny paintings , especially the guy hold the hat ( maybe it was done before cameras were invented?)

 

[mojjax]

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[LadyDigger]

First...great job there SANAT!!!!

Just received a PM from RR about this thread...sorry...worked until midnight last night and have to be at work in less than two hours....I'll see what I can find. Will search the old newspapers also. (Update on work...just got a call....I don't have to go in until 4 pm...but I do work until midnight again....oh well! )

Mojjax....can you post some of those names under the photos...my eyes aren't what they use to be and it's hard to read them...I'll search newspapers and see what I can find on them and post any articles I find here....GREAT PHOTOS and I LOVE THOSE ALBUMS...they are beautiful!!! I see OGDEN...is that correct?

Mojjax....your story would be awesome also on that TV Show...IF WALLS COULD TALK!!! We watch that show all the time...check into it!!!

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1930 Federal Census
Borough of Manhanttan, New York, New York
Ward of the City: 10AD
Block No.: A
Enumeration District: 31-1196
Supervisor's District: 21
East 36th Street
Sheet 1A
Enumerator: Emanuel H. Baum (Barn?)

Now, I do find a Marie Louise Francke living in New York in the 1930 census records. Husband is T.W. Francke....a Jewelry Salesman.

Marie, age 57, was born in New York and her parents were born in Pennsylvania.
T.W. Francke, age 60, was born in New York, his father in Germany and his mother in Switzerland.

They ages at their first marriage was both 21.
They are listed on lines 7 and 8.

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Will post as I find more.....
Annmarie

PS: Thank you for the vote of confidence

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Here's more information:

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
about Widow Marie Louise Embree
Name: Marie Louise Embree
Name Prefix: Widow
Birth Date: 5 Oct 1878
Birth Place: NY City,
Gender: Female
Residence: Glendon, Maine
Passport Issue Date: 22 Dec 1923
Spouse Name: F Florence Embree
Spouse Birth Place: NY City
Passport Includes a Photo: Y
Source: Passport Applications, January 2, 1906 - March 31, 1925 (M1490)

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1910 United States Federal Census
Borough of Roselle, Union County, New Jersey
21 April 1910
Supervisor's District: 5
Enumeration District: 106
Sheet: 7
Enumerator: Phil L. Kendall
Listed on lines (respectfully): 33 through 38

Name: Marie L Embree
Age in 1910: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Spouse's Name: Frank F
Home in 1910: Roselle, Union, New Jersey
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female

Household Members:
Frank F Embree, 50, Head, WM, First Marriage (10 years), NY, NY, NY, Occupation: Compiling Librarian
Marie L Embree, 31, Wife, WF, First Marriage (10 years), 1 child living, 1 child total, NY, PA, PA
Lois O b Embree, 9, Daughter, WF, S, New Hampshire, NY, NY
Louse Angele, 21, Servant, WF, S, France, France, France, came over 1909, Private Family Nurse
Caroline Arney, 52, Servant, BF, S, NJ, NJ, NJ, Private Family Cook
John Williams, 21, Servant, WM, S, NJ, NJ, NJ, Private Family Chauffeur

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MORE TO COME.....

 

[River Rat]

First...great job there SANAT!!!!

Just received a PM from RR about this thread...sorry...worked until midnight last night and have to be at work in less than two hours....I'll see what I can find. Will search the old newspapers also. (Update on work...just got a call....I don't have to go in until 4 pm...but I do work until midnight again....oh well! )

Mojjax....can you post some of those names under the photos...my eyes aren't what they use to be and it's hard to read them...I'll search newspapers and see what I can find on them and post any articles I find here....GREAT PHOTOS and I LOVE THOSE ALBUMS...they are beautiful!!! I see OGDEN...is that correct?

Mojjax....your story would be awesome also on that TV Show...IF WALLS COULD TALK!!! We watch that show all the time...check into it!!!

W W, this is getting more and more interesting. I love old photos, I just hate it when you see them in antique shops...as if nobody cared about them anymore. Those albums are stunning, post whatever you can Mo... love to see more. Thanks, Ann and Sanat!!

RR

 

[mojjax]

Here are some of the names - Henry C Corbit , Emma c ogden , John M Ogden , Sarah B Corbit , Caroline R Perot , Joseph S Lovering , Ann C Lovering ,Charles W Wharton , Ellen L Bowman , Anna Dorothea Ogden .

Here is an interesting news clipping glued to a page in the big album .

mojjax

 

[LadyDigger]

Here are some of the names - Henry C Corbit , Emma c ogden , John M Ogden , Sarah B Corbit , Caroline R Perot , Joseph S Lovering , Ann C Lovering ,Charles W Wharton , Ellen L Bowman , Anna Dorothea Ogden .

Here is an interesting news clipping glued to a page in the big album .

mojjax

Ok.....from a passport of Henry C. Corbit and based on the names you posted here...these names appear on the passport letter as follows:

Henry C. Corbit (himself) Henry C Corbit
Sarah B. Corbit (wife) Sarah B Corbit
Caroline R. (daughter, age 13) Caroline R Perot
Emma (daughter, age 11) Emma C Ogden
Helen (daughter, age 3)
Charly (son, age infant)
Eliza (a female servant)

This passport request was from 24 July 1839 and he lived in Philadelphia. From a 1830 Census record...they are living in Lower Delaware Ward, City of Philadelphia.

Can't place their connection yet: , , John M Ogden , , , , , , Ellen L Bowman , Anna Dorothea Ogden

Assuming that John M. Ogden is the husband of Emma and Anna Dorothea Ogden is their child.
Assuming Joseph S. Lovering and Ann C. Lovering are husband and wife (correct based on the census record) and the "C" in Ann's name is for Corbit and also a daughter of Henry and Sarah Corbit.
Assuming Ellen L. Bowman (Don't know her connection as of yet)
And for Charles W. Wharton....he is the son in law of Joseph S. and Anna C. Lovering.

OK....found some info on Joseph S. Lovering.....

1860 United States Federal Census
District 1, Ward 22, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
11 June 1860
Asst Marshal; Wm K Cox
Page 28
Lines: 30 - 40
Name: Joseph S Lovering
Age in 1860: 63
Birth Year: abt 1797
Birthplace: Delaware
Home in 1860: Philadelphia Ward 22 District 1, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Post Office: Germantown
Household Members:
Joseph S Lovering, 63, M, Sugar Refiner, Delaware
Ann C Lovering, 56, F, PA
Mary L Wharton, 30, F, PA
Jas S Lovering, 28, M, Sugar Refiner, PA
Chas W Wharton, 34, M, Gentleman, PA
Jas L Wharton, 10, M, PA
Hannah Wharton, 4, F, PA
Jas McFarland, 40, M, Bametro??, Ireland
Jane Lynd, 30, M, Ireland
Cath Selly, 25, F, Ireland
Isabella Lenton, 19, F, Ireland
(NEXT PAGE Lines 1 -3)
Mary Kilihan, 25, F, Seamstress, PA
Thomas Hens, 30, M, Coachman, Ireland
John Coleman, 30, M, Coachman, Ireland

1880 US Fed Census
District 436, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Page No: 22
Supervisor's District: 1
Enumeration District: 436
York Road
12 June 1880
Enumerator: Daniel L. Stewart
Lines: 46 -
Name: Joseph S. Lovering
Home in 1880: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age: 83
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Birthplace: Delaware
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Father's birthplace: Massachusetts
Mother's birthplace: Delaware
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Retired Sugar Refiner
Marital Status: Widower
Race: White
Gender: Male
Household Members:
Joseph S. Lovering, 83, WM, Head, Widowed, Retired Sugar Refiner, Delaware, Massachusetts, Delaware
Charles Wharton, 56, WM, Married, Son in law, Retired Merchant, PA, PA, PA
Anna L. Wharton, 51, WF, Married, Daughter, PA, Delaware, PA
Rose Simpson, 40, WF, Servant, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland
Ann Kearnan, 40, WF, Servant, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland
(NEXT PAGE...Lines 1-5)
Nancy Mc Loughlen, 28, WF, Single, Servant, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland
Annie Slevin, 29, WF, Single, Servant, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland
Annie Lynch, 24, WF, Single, Servant, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland
Lizzie Liley, 50, WF, Single, Servant, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland
Joseph Mc Farland, 70, WM, Single, Servant, Ireland, Ireland, Ireland

Joseph S. Lovering travelled alot too...found a few passports for him.

(Just so you know...I am saving all images I find. If you can send me an email address in PM...I can forward these images to you.)

Found this for H.C. Corbit.....in the passport request..he mentions sailing on the British Queen...so I assuming this is the same H.C. Corbit (Henry C.).

New York, 1820-1850 Passenger and Immigration Lists
Name: H. C. Corbit
Arrival Date: Jul 18, 1840
Age: 39
Gender: U
Port of Arrival: New York
Port of Departure: London
Place of Origin: United States of America
Ship: British Queen
Family Identification: 30021520
Microfilm Serial Number: M237
Microfilm Roll Number: 43

Found this also.....since the census states Henry was a merchant....this could be him also.

New York, 1820-1850 Passenger and Immigration Lists
Name: H. C. Corbit
Arrival Date: Mar 10, 1838
Age: 37
Gender: M
Port of Arrival: New York
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Place of Origin: Great Britain
Occupation: Merchant
Ship: Ship Independence
Microfilm Serial Number: M237
Microfilm Roll Number: 36
List Number: 74

MORE INFO:

1850 United States Federal Census
South Mulberry Ward, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
24 July 1850
Assist Marshal: (hard to read name...but last name is SMITH)
Page 10
Lines: 38-42
Name: Henry C Corbit
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Birth Place: Delaware
Gender: Male
Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Philadelphia South Mulberry Ward, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Household Members:
Henry C Corbit, 50, Head, M, Merchant, Born: Delaware
Sarah B Corbit, 49, Wife, F, Born: Pennslyvania
Helen Corbit, 14, Daughter, F, Born: Pennslyvania
Charles Corbit, 12, Son, M, Born: Pennslyvania
Elizabeth Lewis, 25, F, Domestic Help, Born: Pennslyvania
Tamar A Smith, 27, F, Born: Pennslyvania

OK....have to get ready for work...will try to work on some more tonight when I get home or Monday night after work....hope this info has helped some....
Annmarie

 

[lonesomebob]

I can o,ly say WOW really great work. If you run accrost any Holtons PM me. Thanks. Bob Holton

 

[nebstater]

Just went thru my geneology books on the Ogden family, and I came up blank on the names that you listed. It's a fairly common name, so it didn't really surprise me much that I didn't find them. Will watch for additional name listings, and will check them also. If I find anything, I'll let you know. The Ogden's came in on my mother's side, and on that line, we have a pretty good list of names.