My son found these!

[Illini Rockhound]

I started taking my youngest son with me rock hunting last year, and after a few well placed points he began to take a liking to it This year he has been kicking my butt when we go out. He found these two, among others this weekend. These were a little different than our usual points. Any idea on the types? Found in southeastern Illinois. TIA

 

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[arrow86]

Those are some nice points looks like he’s got it figured out

 

[MAMucker]

Way to go Dad!
I’m on the NE Coast, and there’s a lot of knowledgeable collectors in your region, but I’ll make an attempt.

First, they both have seen some heavy use.

The one on right, the broad corner notched point looks to have beveling (this is important) and because of that it may fall under the lost lake type. Early to Mid-Archaic 9000 to 6000 BP (more photos will help).
The other point is quite unique in its style shape. It is either an extremely used up point or it traveled into your region from another region. It has distinct characteristics. It could be a used-up (exhausted) LOWE. Woodland Period 1650 - 1450 BP (before present) KEY: Long expanding stem.


Reference: OVERSTREET.

It may also be represented in the Scottsbluff Complex, but that’s a leap of faith.

More photos please. I’ll leave the material typing to others.

 

[Illini Rockhound]

Thanks arrow and mucker! I am one proud father. Here are some more photos.

 

[Illini Rockhound]

 

[uniface]

First one is a Pine Tree. Second may have been one also, before the shoulders got worked off.

 

[MAMucker]

I don’t see parallel flaking or a median ridge, or serrations. So, I’m not agreeing with the Pinetree designation side or corner notched varieties.
But, again I defer to the experts in your region of Southeastern Illinois.

 

[reuellis]

That boy has a good eye!

 

[uniface]

Chevron flaking was a re-sharpening strategy, & that one started small to begin with (shown by the distance between notch ends). The other side shows as much of this as needed.

The clincher, IMHO, is the drooping shoulder ends.

FWIW