Thanks poorman15 it hooked me right in way better then the nails I found at 12 lol see my brother was into mding hard core but he broke his neck now he can't do much but I ask him about every thing tell him where I'm going show him my finds he thought I was funny for searching the crawl space said I would only find junk 45 min later I showed him that I just knew there was some thing down there and no lie it was the first target I dug